good reiki masters getting very sick--why?

Hi.
I was supposed to see a Reiki master/shaman for help--and found out recently that this man is quite physically ill.
I feel like I'm brand new to the Reiki world (got a Reiki 1 in Usui Reiki about a month ago--but got Reiki 2 in another style 6 years ago.)
My question is this: why do good reiki masters get bad illnesses they can't cure themselves of?
Don't get me wrong--I'm not trying to blame the victims here. But if the people I goto for help in curing my ailments can't cure their own ailments (with either Reiki OR western medicine)--how am I (or you) supposed to cure myself?
I mainly pose this question because (as some of you know) I've struggled for years in trying to develop my full reiki potential.
And now that a respected reiki master/shaman is too sick to help me--I wonder if there's anyone who can (I endure chronic daily migraines--though my reiki master/shaman is enduring something much worse.)
Respectfully,
Pete

prdean111 wrote:Hi.
I was supposed to see a Reiki master/shaman for help--and found out recently that this man is quite physically ill.
I feel like I'm brand new to the Reiki world (got a Reiki 1 in Usui Reiki about a month ago--but got Reiki 2 in another style 6 years ago.)
My question is this: why do good reiki masters get bad illnesses they can't cure themselves of?
Don't get me wrong--I'm not trying to blame the victims here. But if the people I goto for help in curing my ailments can't cure their own ailments (with either Reiki OR western medicine)--how am I (or you) supposed to cure myself?
I mainly pose this question because (as some of you know) I've struggled for years in trying to develop my full reiki potential.
And now that a respected reiki master/shaman is too sick to help me--I wonder if there's anyone who can (I endure chronic daily migraines--though my reiki master/shaman is enduring something much worse.)
Respectfully,
Pete

Hi Pete, sometimes we look for others
to heal us. We all have the ability to
heal ourselves. A Reiki practitioner
is just a facilitator. when anyone gets
physically/emotionally/spiritually ill, it
helps if they can seek the help of another
person to help them through the needy times.
There are many factors that enter into our
daily lives that cause distress that leads
to illness. When we can see our way clear to
identifying the cause of our illness then we
can heal.

Hi Pete,
Did you contact the shaman we spoke about? Just asking as it's a she.

I'm probably the only person who feesl he is immortal. The rest of you are still human. Even with Reiki. Hehe.

Though to me, with Reiki. There's often tooooooooo much focus on others. And not enough on oursevles. initiating too many people. Initiating too many at Master level. Treating others (in various ways). And not experiencing Reiki for the personal spiritual path it is.

warmest wishes
Wayne

Milarepa wrote:


Though to me, with Reiki. There's often tooooooooo much focus on others. And not enough on oursevles. initiating too many people. Initiating too many at Master level. Treating others (in various ways). And not experiencing Reiki for the personal spiritual path it is.

Hmm very interesting view. This actually makes most sense to me, more then anything else I have read on this subject. Thanks for sharing

I do find this topic quite interesting though, and something I have been wondering myself, so will be interested to hearing more peoples views on this.

Hi Wayne.
Yes--I've been trading emails with the shaman you recommended to me--but she didn't reply to my last email sent over a week ago--so I sent her another email today just to check in with her.
In my initial post, I was referring to the shaman my Usui Reiki instructor recommended--who apparently is still ill.
Wayne--may I ask what you mean when you say "There's often tooooooooo much focus on others. And not enough on oursevles. initiating too many people. Initiating too many at Master level. Treating others (in various ways). And not experiencing Reiki for the personal spiritual path it is."
How is there too much focus on others? And are you saying the quality of reiki is being diluted by initiating too many at the master level?

Thanks,
Pete

prdean111 wrote:
How is there too much focus on others?

By training & treating others. And not focusing on ourselves. The reason why this is important ois becuase of the process that are different in the above mentioned.

prdean111 wrote:
And are you saying the quality of reiki is being diluted by initiating too many at the master level?

Not the quality. Something might be diluted though.

It's this assumption that even 'if' something is universal that somehow folks take it is unlimited. Everything is universal in that it comes from this universe. Yet not everything will last in it's current form.

How much of my physical body must i share before i have none left. Likewise, how much of me in any form am i able to share before it effects me.

Ya know. At the very least, folks need to look into what is happening in Reiki - before they make a judgment. And we're all impressionable. Like everyone else in society, we tend to go with the accepted belief. No matter how assumed it is. The more accepted it is the more it 'seems' true.

I haven't the answers. Only got my own view, piecing together snippets of circumstantial evidence.

I know folks need to take on board what lineage actually means. And how this relates to the whole process of Reiki.

warmest wishes
Wayne

P.S. Maggie might be doing some personal stuff. I dunno Pete, . She may be away from the internet.

The reason for the illness could be many different things. If you want to look at it energetically the person may be feeling the changes that are happening right now and their spirit is telling the person something through the illness. Looking at it physically, the person may be experiencing an ailment that needs to be looked at. Just a few thoughts.

reikihealer83 wrote:The reason for the illness could be many different things. If you want to look at it energetically the person may be feeling the changes that are happening right now and their spirit is telling the person something through the illness. Looking at it physically, the person may be experiencing an ailment that needs to be looked at. Just a few thoughts.

it has been said that some people
thank their illness saying it has
changed their life for the better.

i can appreciate that. Is the same true for you?

Milarepa wrote:i can appreciate that. Is the same true for you?

Very much so. As I worked through my
healing journey, I left the pack and
and all the cultural stuff that no
longer served me.

To all,
Thank you all for the interesting posts responding to my question--I'm enjoying reading this board (as always.)
One comment on Chi Solas' comment: you said "it has been said that some people thank their illness saying it has changed their life for the better."
That statement makes me think of 2 things: 1) pain is your body trying to tell you something (according to the medical experts--i.e. MD's); and 2) I wish I knew what my body was trying to tell me!!

prdean111 wrote:To all,
Thank you all for the interesting posts responding to my question--I'm enjoying reading this board (as always.)
One comment on Chi Solas' comment: you said "it has been said that some people thank their illness saying it has changed their life for the better."
That statement makes me think of 2 things: 1) pain is your body trying to tell you something (according to the medical experts--i.e. MD's); and 2) I wish I knew what my body was trying to tell me!!

Pain or other symptoms is the
bodies way of asking for help.
Sometimes you have to sit down
and just ask what is the problem
here.The answer may be changes
need to happen. I told my body
what the medical experts wanted
to do and then I told my body
what I wanted to do. Together
we decided to go with alternatives.
I started with the help of a good
nutritionist and when changes started
to happen I knew I was on the right
track. My intuition was paying off. I
continued to pursue alternatives
including Reiki.

according to Louise Hay symptoms
are only an outer effect that has
a probable cause. We need to go
within to get to the root. It has
been my experience that Reiki and
the practice of the 5 precepts help
change dis-ease and brings balance
and harmony to the self.

Chi Solas,
Thank you for your post--it was very helpful.
I will try to practice the 5 precepts more often (sometimes it's not easy!)
On that note, perhaps practice is definitely the key--I practiced reiki last night for an hour--and I only had to take 1 pain med today (I usually take 3--the pain was markedly less severe!)
Yay Reiki!

i got to know Reiki in September 2005. In January 2006 a long-overdue court case meant i was put into prison again. This time for 4 months. Being in that hell-hole wasn't nearly as bad as ususal.

I self-treated with Reiki for 3 hours per day. It was great! Damn it, i might actually do it again. 3 hours, not prison! Haha!

Point is buddy, you got Reiki. You've got a first hand proof of it's effects. So give yourself maybe 2 hours a day at least. For 14 days.

It'd be cool for us to know your progress. We kinda all share one anothers journey a little here.

warmest wishes
Wayne

there is a reason why some great healers are unable to heal themselves......because it is related to their 'duty of service to others'.......I read a fascinating story years ago about a healer who had a wonderful gift for healing others but she could never eradicate her own physical symptoms.......too long to post my thoughts on it now......another time.....

Pachamama wrote:there is a reason why some great healers are unable to heal themselves......because it is related to their 'duty of service to others'.......I read a fascinating story years ago about a healer who had a wonderful gift for healing others but she could never eradicate her own physical symptoms.......too long to post my thoughts on it now......another time.....

kinda the opposite with mothers
they don't have time to get sick

Pachamama wrote:there is a reason why some great healers are unable to heal themselves......because it is related to their 'duty of service to others'.......I read a fascinating story years ago about a healer who had a wonderful gift for healing others but she could never eradicate her own physical symptoms.......too long to post my thoughts on it now......another time.....

in the hikkei it apparently quotes Usui sensei as saying 'if we cant heal ourvselvs how can we heal others'. Though i'm sceptical of the hikkei to say the least.

jeepers. I just saw an orb outta the corner of my eye when i wrote that. OMG! dont tell me i'm turning into some wishwashy new ager. Next i'll be sticking upo a section on crystals & leprechuans.

hi all

browsing through the topic, two important things to share from my personal experiences :

1) healing others is good, and showing compassion is paramount, but taking that responsibility on yourself on a self-assumption, isn't that good... reiki practitioners, especially newbies, often have a great compassion to treat others (me included)... in at least two cases, i made it a matter of life-n-death that i have to put my most in healing that person..... in effect, those people healed miraculously... but there was a lash back on me (something must have gone wrong during my extreme passion for treating them)... maybe i, unknowingly, drained my ownself/energies while giving them sessions... or maybe something else... but i found that over the process, i actually 'destabilized' my well being which then took some chunk of months for coming back to normal...

my advice to myself : "you are not a reiki doctor mr. salman, you are just a helper.... so don't try oversmart :lol:


2) secondly, reiki sometimes tends to be preventive instead of proving curative... reiki gradually builds up immune system, releases blockades, eases off vital flows within body, but all this is happening to ward off incoming disease... however, once disease contacts the body, reiki might not be best measure to provide immediate relief... conventional western medicine may be used without feeling any 'hit' on our reiki ego reiki is a spiritual medicine (per Mikao Usui Sensei) and its medicinal / therapautic effects would embed within our bodies on extra-physical levels.... personally, i have learnt a lesson that if ever i catch flu or cold, i shift my attention to drink more of plain water, simple medicines like paracetamol/ibuprofen, etc, ample rest.... once i am better off, and nearly back to normal, i let myself extended self-treatment sessions so that my immune gets to better levels than that before contacting the disease... over time, what i have felt, is that i catch disease less often and feel myself in a better condition overall. (of course, this was only a personal sharing )

take care

salman

Lambs-Wool wrote:hi all

browsing through the topic, two important things to share from my personal experiences :

1) healing others is good, and showing compassion is paramount, but taking that responsibility on yourself on a self-assumption, isn't that good... reiki practitioners, especially newbies, often have a great compassion to treat others (me included)... in at least two cases, i made it a matter of life-n-death that i have to put my most in healing that person..... in effect, those people healed miraculously... but there was a lash back on me (something must have gone wrong during my extreme passion for treating them)... maybe i, unknowingly, drained my ownself/energies while giving them sessions... or maybe something else... but i found that over the process, i actually 'destabilized' my well being which then took some chunk of months for coming back to normal...

my advice to myself : "you are not a reiki doctor mr. salman, you are just a helper.... so don't try oversmart :lol:


2) secondly, reiki sometimes tends to be preventive instead of proving curative... reiki gradually builds up immune system, releases blockades, eases off vital flows within body, but all this is happening to ward off incoming disease... however, once disease contacts the body, reiki might not be best measure to provide immediate relief... conventional western medicine may be used without feeling any 'hit' on our reiki ego reiki is a spiritual medicine (per Mikao Usui Sensei) and its medicinal / therapautic effects would embed within our bodies on extra-physical levels.... personally, i have learnt a lesson that if ever i catch flu or cold, i shift my attention to drink more of plain water, simple medicines like paracetamol/ibuprofen, etc, ample rest.... once i am better off, and nearly back to normal, i let myself extended self-treatment sessions so that my immune gets to better levels than that before contacting the disease... over time, what i have felt, is that i catch disease less often and feel myself in a better condition overall. (of course, this was only a personal sharing )

take care

salman

Many thought provoking points.

Good to see you back on board

What defines a "good Reiki Master"? I don't pretend to know who these Good Reiki Masters are, that are being spoken of here. And I wish no disrespect in saying this. But is it a possibility that these good Reiki Masters are maybe focusing more on financial gain rather than spreading Reiki and or helping people?! It's just a thought... could be a bit of karma... in this case maybe instant karma.

In other cases it might be that these practitioners are extremely empathic and dont spend enough time self treating. And like our good friend here Salman (the wise) has put forth that we maybe investing too much of our emotion into the healing of people and feeling responsible for their outcome whatever that may be... again here we would be ptting ourselves under enormous stress... a likely precursor for dis-ease.

Just some thoughts

It's not only stress that helps disease become more uncomfortable, but the aging process and carelessness... yeah, carelessness.

The foods that we have today have become increasingly contaminated by preservatives and artificial ingredients for flavor and content.

Just over a year ago when Bayardo and I partnered (and he moved in), he regularly complained of intense and painful headaches. At that time he was on a diet of manufactured foods, so I asked him to give me a chance to help his headaches go away by cooking mostly organic meals and a good six to twelve months.

Now our meals are mostly organic, all of the flavors are from organic ingredients that I prepared, and he hasn't had a headache in over six months. He also suffers from psoriasis, and even that's become less pronounced than what it was when we began living together.

I believe that if a person regularly practices Reiki and doesn't change other habits such as diet, then disease will be more likely to manifest. Look to Rand as an example... his portrait pics before his heart attack were of him chubby and smiley faced, while now he's as skinny as a vampire and wears a constant frown (of pain???). I believe that since the heart attack he changed his diet and have no doubt that Reiki is helping him maintain what health he has, and in all honesty I don't know what led up to the heart attack, but it happened.

Diet is a huge factor with respect to modern health concerns, and if a persons diet consists mostly of toxins, no amount of Reiki is going to help the body survive.

prdean111 wrote:Hi.
I was supposed to see a Reiki master/shaman for help--and found out recently that this man is quite physically ill.
I feel like I'm brand new to the Reiki world (got a Reiki 1 in Usui Reiki about a month ago--but got Reiki 2 in another style 6 years ago.)
My question is this: why do good reiki masters get bad illnesses they can't cure themselves of?
Don't get me wrong--I'm not trying to blame the victims here. But if the people I goto for help in curing my ailments can't cure their own ailments (with either Reiki OR western medicine)--how am I (or you) supposed to cure myself?
I mainly pose this question because (as some of you know) I've struggled for years in trying to develop my full reiki potential.
And now that a respected reiki master/shaman is too sick to help me--I wonder if there's anyone who can (I endure chronic daily migraines--though my reiki master/shaman is enduring something much worse.)
Respectfully,
Pete

Hi Pete, While reading this post again I had some thoughts... You say you have been struggling for years trying to develop your Reiki potential.
Why the struggle??! When I read that I picture someone laying there hands on and trying to squeeze Reiki out their hands... much like if they were sitting on the john's
trying to squeeze out a fat one... like they were constipated... I know that feeling I've bust some arteries and probably killed some braincells in the process in situations like these... leaving me with a headache from hell. Have some prune juice

What I mean to say is RELAX!!! Dont try so hard.. just let it happen. And here you may also have been presented with a test... your opportunity to shine!! Here you have a Reiki Shaman you were about to ask for help... but it turns out she is in much greater need of help than you... (just my interpretation of this situation, I dont mean to say that your matter is in less need of attention)

So maybe you could help her and by doing so help yourself.. realising your own potential. I am guessing you wanted to become a Reiki practitioner so you could help people. So maybe a success story will do you the world of good. So while you keep self treating... why not offer your Shaman friend your assistance?! (And dont try so hard!!!)

Addressing the other issue you mentioned about Reiki practitioners not being able to cure their own dis-eases... I'm a prime example of this. I have had an eye infection in my left eye for over 3 years now. Iritis...it's a bugger... The doctors are at a loss too... it's extremely recessive, so while I would be on the cortesol treatment the symptoms would lessen...i.e less white bloodcell activity in my iris. But the drops irritated my eye even more and as soon as the doc would take me off the treatments the white blood cells would go into attack mode again like they were trying to fight off some killer dis-eas in my eye. This could be some deep issue I have not yet resolved. I'm gonna have to work on that. I think a lot has to do with self-forgiveness. It's a healing journey.

All the best!

Ben

Buck wrote:It's not only stress that helps disease become more uncomfortable, but the aging process and carelessness... yeah, carelessness.

The foods that we have today have become increasingly contaminated by preservatives and artificial ingredients for flavor and content.

Just over a year ago when Bayardo and I partnered (and he moved in), he regularly complained of intense and painful headaches. At that time he was on a diet of manufactured foods, so I asked him to give me a chance to help his headaches go away by cooking mostly organic meals and a good six to twelve months.

Now our meals are mostly organic, all of the flavors are from organic ingredients that I prepared, and he hasn't had a headache in over six months. He also suffers from psoriasis, and even that's become less pronounced than what it was when we began living together.

I believe that if a person regularly practices Reiki and doesn't change other habits such as diet, then disease will be more likely to manifest. Look to Rand as an example... his portrait pics before his heart attack were of him chubby and smiley faced, while now he's as skinny as a vampire and wears a constant frown (of pain???). I believe that since the heart attack he changed his diet and have no doubt that Reiki is helping him maintain what health he has, and in all honesty I don't know what led up to the heart attack, but it happened.

Diet is a huge factor with respect to modern health concerns, and if a persons diet consists mostly of toxins, no amount of Reiki is going to help the body survive.

Yep, I agree with you 1000%!! It's like I said we have to cooperate in order for healing to take place.... And like I mentioned in another thread, it's a communication that's taking place. So when we keep pumping our system full of food and substances that that are artificial and toxic we are putting our system under huge amounts of stress... It's like as if you would have written your reply in greek and someone was holding a gun to my head to try to force me to make sense of it. When we eat organic food there is a natural communication going on between our DNA and the DNA of the food. This is also why eating live food[i] is far more beneficial for us than eating the same food cooked. A lot of the genetic information is lost. I might suggest hemp seeds... great source of protiens vitamins oils and minerals. Also I have heard that cannabis oil is great for aleviating migraines and even causes brain tumors to suicide.

Didn't Takata Sensei come up with some kind of Super-Reiki-health-Drink? I think she even made it part of the whole healing program she had on offer.

Always read the labels carefully...Almost everthing that says sugar-free, lite or diet on it has aspartame in it. And all chewing gum!!! If you dont know what aspartame is I suggest you educate yourself... A MAJOR cause for migraines and a serious amount of other ailments.