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    Post by LightBody Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:25 pm

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    But ok my question now...
    I went to my Mom's Reiki master, and she told me some CRAZY stuff.
    She told me, that the reason I have some experiences from my past (I can elaborate if asked) is because my vibration or frequency or something is at a point (and she had an exact number) where entities are trying to get to me because I can open some kind of "gate".

    Now I've had experieces with "spirits" or "ghosts" or whatever you want to call it. But is it them reaching to me for this?? Can I get a better explanation of Reiki from the aspect of "Entities" "gates" and stuff?
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    Post by Lambs-Wool Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:51 pm

    nice split of topic, indeed a good question put!

    many of us would see reiki as an 'energy' modality, and many, on the other hand, will see the 'energy' aspect as manifestation of 'reiki in action' as against real substance of reiki, per se.


    leaving the energy aspect of reiki experience away from the discussion for the time being, i would like to come straight to the question whether any 'spirits' are involved in reiki, or that it is one's own 'spirit' which is at work when reiki happens ? these questions are interlinked and should not be compartmentalized unless we know the things for sure, which obviously we are far from Smile


    it would be of interest if we see these questions from the often-believed viewpoint that the knowledge streamed to us through physical 5 senses is not complete... the reality exists even beyond our this knowledge... many people have had this experience of deep meditation that they come to know about other realms/worlds during some moments... when they got a 'glimpse' of something they have not seen or preceived through physical senses.... thus, definitely a world of possibilities exists beyond our knowledge.

    one of such possibility is that we all have a spirit that permeates or co-exists with our physical presence... we may call it a spirit or its semi-physical exhibit can be called our aura... things are always interlinked, you see... a spirit is not marked by definite boundaries, since it is non-physical... it is marked by possibilities, small or large, present or future, near or remote... this gives us some idea that it might be possible that our individual spirits somehow interact (or can interact) with each other at some plane or in some arrangement... non-religiously speaking, it is also possible that spirits of human beings (as well as other living / non-living things) collectively compose a master–spirit in which trillions of spirits are woven like a fabric... the command over this spirit, if some believe so, would be called God, or else... but something like that....

    reiki, as i would happen to believe or feel, is an interaction with spirit... a reiki experience is an outcome when this interaction takes place... reiki is not a start off event... it is the event itself... when we reiki, the interaction has already happened or has begun... reiki exists in happening, not in starting something like healing, energy experience, etc. these are manifestations of something that has happened already.... by this general description, it is well nigh impossible that we interact exclusively with our spirit... we are definitely tiggering a 'synapse' to other spirits when we are interacting with ours, since all are linked.... during this, we may feel their presence, their help (spirit or reiki guides), etc. but it might be a little too much to say that reiki invites other spirits to the chain... this may happen, but not as a prerequisite... the possibilities are endless when we interact with our spirit... this is gateway to many new experiences... some experiences we are able to couch in our understanding, some experiences are so subtle that they go without any meaningful explanation of our vocabulary or narrative...


    interestingly 'ghosts', 'daemons', 'bad spirits' have got a lot of stuff attached by socio-cultural and equally religio-dogmatic context... unless we start with a state of mind that is non-flavoured, and is ready for anything to accept, as against what 'it should' accept acccording to so-called doctrines, we are far away to link that phenomenon with something called reiki that has, even when having a specific japanese origin, transcended to something 'universal' or 'global'.... there might a division like japanese reiki, or western reiki, but having said, there is no confusion about universality of reiki per se !

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    Post by Pachamama Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:47 pm

    hmmm well I don't know anything about ghosts, gates or entities......
    but I often feel what I call my 'friends in Spirit' around me when I offer healing to another. But this has nothing to do with Reiki as such, it's just my experience connected to healing....my 'friends in Spirit' have been around since I first became involved in Spiritual healing..... and it's not unusual for recipients to feel many hands on them at the same time, when only my physical hands are present.
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    Post by water flower Wed May 30, 2012 11:20 am

    From my experience, if you invite them, they will come.

    Someone told me that sometimes during meditation, some of these entities want your attention or they gravitate to you. Why? I don't know. Maybe they just want to bring you down. (Somehow I'm thinking of a wrestler, Macho Man saying, "You're going downnnnn!") Anywho, it can happen. From what I read, some can attach to you. Some can detach from a person you're working with and go into you. Sometimes you can catch it from buying antiques or cursed items. Fatigue and sudden jerking movements are characteristics of it from what I read (I experienced fatigue, but no lasting damage - except maybe karmic stuff which can be forgiven.) But again, if you think about it, it's an invitation, so stop. If you know how to receive and share the unconditional love from Source with your whole heart and whole being, they won't get near you. Like M.C. Hammer's, "Can't touch this." I think I also read that eventually when someone gets to a certain consciousness level, they really can't be affected at all by any entities because the person vibrates at too high a level.
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    Post by chi_solas Thu May 31, 2012 2:04 am

    water flower wrote:From my experience, if you invite them, they will come.

    Someone told me that sometimes during meditation, some of these entities want your attention or they gravitate to you. Why? I don't know. Maybe they just want to bring you down. (Somehow I'm thinking of a wrestler, Macho Man saying, "You're going downnnnn!") Anywho, it can happen. From what I read, some can attach to you. Some can detach from a person you're working with and go into you. Sometimes you can catch it from buying antiques or cursed items. Fatigue and sudden jerking movements are characteristics of it from what I read (I experienced fatigue, but no lasting damage - except maybe karmic stuff which can be forgiven.) But again, if you think about it, it's an invitation, so stop. If you know how to receive and share the unconditional love from Source with your whole heart and whole being, they won't get near you. Like M.C. Hammer's, "Can't touch this." I think I also read that eventually when someone gets to a certain consciousness level, they really can't be affected at all by any entities because the person vibrates at too high a level.

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    Post by renukakkar Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:43 am

    there are energies, good ones who help you with the healing and the unhelpful ones who do not.. sometimes there are some disturbing ones. being an arya samajhi( protestant like in Christianity), we are not to believe in these things ...but i have experienced them.

    good ones....while doing reiki, these are seen as helping in doing reiki to the patient as angles/ white light, or lady in white light etc...otherwise they are experienced as ligt passing through your house, bells ringing all of a sudden or fragrances of fruits and flowers....then there are the naughty ones who will try to make their presence felt..

    the bad energies are like someone giving you a push, you not being able to breathe for a second or two, seeing smoke all around you, seeing a terrifying face during meditation.. i personally think these energies see the light and want to be released to the light and come out to be released.

    yesterday while giving reiki to someone, i was confronted with a dead puffed up face, eyes closed and blood marks over the face and lips as if someone had killed this person and left him at that house...i stopped sending reiki..later, i realised that this soul was attracted by the reiki light and was seeking release so had come out of hiding in that house towards light...he was sent away to light...

    i suppose there are worse ones but i have not encountered these energies/ or reiki protects me from them...

    i hope that helps
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    Post by chi_solas Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:29 pm

    renukakkar wrote:there are energies, good ones who help you with the healing and the unhelpful ones who do not.. sometimes there are some disturbing ones. being an arya samajhi( protestant like in Christianity), we are not to believe in these things ...but i have experienced them.

    good ones....while doing reiki, these are seen as helping in doing reiki to the patient as angles/ white light, or lady in white light etc...otherwise they are experienced as ligt passing through your house, bells ringing all of a sudden or fragrances of fruits and flowers....then there are the naughty ones who will try to make their presence felt..

    the bad energies are like someone giving you a push, you not being able to breathe for a second or two, seeing smoke all around you, seeing a terrifying face during meditation.. i personally think these energies see the light and want to be released to the light and come out to be released.

    yesterday while giving reiki to someone, i was confronted with a dead puffed up face, eyes closed and blood marks over the face and lips as if someone had killed this person and left him at that house...i stopped sending reiki..later, i realised that this soul was attracted by the reiki light and was seeking release so had come out of hiding in that house towards light...he was sent away to light...

    i suppose there are worse ones but i have not encountered these energies/ or reiki protects me from them...

    i hope that helps

    lots of food for thought study sunny
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    Post by renukakkar Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:39 am

    seeing energies is believing and feeling energies is also believing...
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    Post by Godiva Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:16 am

    I recently read about "Guides" as in Spirit Guides who are with us and who can, when we consult them, guide us. Good guides. I became interested in this after reading things about this on the Threshold Reiki webpages. I am not so much interested in chanelling but I would like good guides at my side!

    However if there is also a chance that I can encounter bad ones, that scares me a bit, so that I do not make a real hard effort to get in touch with the good guides. I just need to pick up courage though and, in case I do experience them, chase bad ones away "towards the light" as mentioned above.

    It is good to read other people's experiences here. sunny
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    Post by chi_solas Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:38 am

    Godiva wrote:I recently read about "Guides" as in Spirit Guides who are with us and who can, when we consult them, guide us. Good guides. I became interested in this after reading things about this on the Threshold Reiki webpages. I am not so much interested in chanelling but I would like good guides at my side!

    However if there is also a chance that I can encounter bad ones, that scares me a bit, so that I do not make a real hard effort to get in touch with the good guides. I just need to pick up courage though and, in case I do experience them, chase bad ones away "towards the light" as mentioned above.

    It is good to read other people's experiences here. sunny

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    Post by Godiva Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:42 am

    I know which one that is, Chi! I suppose these are different names for the same entities.
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    Post by LightBody Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:58 pm

    Hi Godiva.

    I've heard quite a few testimonies that support the existence of entities that want to hurt you, and the movie The Entity (1982) comes to mind.

    I recall when I was a child little over 2 or 3 feet tall that people would walk through the walls in my bedroom, and some would even stop to talk to me. I talked back, until one time when my mother asked who I was talking to -- it was then I learned two things: 1) there was no such thing as ghosts and 2) they were of the devil... after that point I became terrified of them, and pulled the covers over my eyes to hide from them. That was an attempt that failed, because I could still see them (while I could close my physical eyes, I was unable to close my third eye -- and ears -- at that age). But with respect to that experience, none were malicious in any way. I guess they were just happy someone could see and hear them.

    A decade ago or so on the newsgroup AHR (alt.healing.reiki) there was a lady named Elisabeth Magnussa Phoenix who was apparently quite aware of entities, especially the ones wanting to harm people. Elisabeth was a very nice person (but not so flexible when it came to other Reiki styles than her own). In my opinion, it seems her focus was battling these negative energies, but the more she seemed to defeat them, it seems the more new ones appeared to take the place of their friends. My understanding is that Elisabeth eventually passed away from a poisonous snake bite, but I may be wrong on that.

    When I was in my late 20's, early 30's, I had a rather profound Reiki meditation experience. I was sitting on a cushion in crossed-leg style with my back erect, and hand resting comfortably in my lap. I meditated on what I was taught to be the Reiki energies (it was different then to what it is today), and imagined a sphere of protective white light encircling me. It felt good and... protective. I felt safe. After a bit I noticed various entities approaching the sphere. Some tried to break through, while others just stopped for a moment or so and drifted off to look for someone else. Not long thereafter, bigger ones began to notice me and attempt to break into the sphere. These were very large entities possessing a dark, unhealthy colors of black and grey in their bodies. I grew a little bit uneasy from their size, so increased the radiance, the power, of my protective shield.

    It seems that the more I increased the power of the protective shield, the more were attracted. It got to the point were I was growing really concerned, so I decided to use attunement-level energies to power up the force field I was creating. I imagined the attunement process that I was taught, and imagined the attunement energies simply radiating outwards from all directions of the sphere.

    Most of the entities hurried away, but a few remained. I continued to broadcast the attunement energies until I reached my limit -- I just couldn't access any more than what I was, and I certainly didn't want to stop the process considering what was waiting outside the protective sphere... so I continued to sit in meditation.

    The attunement radiance continued to power the protective shield well enough, but the entities were acting "strange." It was strange in the sense they didn't act like the others. I recall one of the others taking a small bite out of the sphere and then quickly spitting it out, looking at me with disgust, and flying away apparently to find something else that tasted better. But those that remained were different.

    After a time I tried to increase the power of the sphere in the hopes they would find its energies distasteful, but instead of moving away, they moved closer until they actually touched the sphere.

    A part of me was expecting at least one of them to break through, as they opened their mouths and pressed firmly against the field and began to suck its protective energies.

    I was comforted that Reiki offered unlimited access to universal healing energy, but even so this did not bode well for me. I began to grow concerned about what type of cancerous disease I would manifest if they got through and went into my body. There really wasn't anything I could do except sit and wait.

    After re-assuring myself that I was as connected as possible to the Reiki source energy and as much of it as possible was powering up this force field protecting me, I focused my attention on the entities that were now trying to drain its energies.

    I began to review what I knew about negative entities. They manifest inside a persons body like a parasite and cause diseases such as cancer, and do so because they feed off of the persons bio-life force energy, and then it hit me. These guys just wanted to eat! They detected something in me that apparently smelled good enough to eat, and as they weren't going away, I decided to give them what they wanted.

    And I did. I re-tuned myself to the Reiki attunement energies, released the protective sphere, and invited them to approach my body and dine away.

    They began to approach, slowly, in a creepy, slimy spirit snakey sort of way. Again, images of hosting these parasites in my body terrified the hell out of me, but as they wouldn't go away I assumed they were present for my greater good, and I tuned into Reiki a bit more. Their mouths opened, sucking in the Reiki now emanating outward from my body, when suddenly they began to change.

    Their approach stopped, and I sensed something was different inside them. Now, they had been "eating" the Reiki healing/attunement energies, but these guys didn't look like it gave them an upset stomach like their friends who spit it out and flew away. They floated for a moment, hovering only a few feet from my body, and suddenly the black and gray of their bodies and auras burst apart, revealing a brilliantly beautiful being of light.

    These creatures were no longer absorbing energies from around them, but rather radiating energy outward. I could feel it, and it felt absolutely wonderful.

    The lesson I learned is that Reiki energies were naturally protective. It's not necessary to "banish and cleanse" negative energies from a space when Reiki is involved, because Reiki is a natural cleanser... and apparently, one that results in wonderful transformations for all in the area.

    Contacting your Reiki Guide is channeling, but there are different types of channeling. Conscious Channeling is the safest, because the person doing so remains in complete conscious control. I haven't been to Rick's channeling pages in quite a long time, but here are a few links to more information:






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    Post by Godiva Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:52 pm

    Thank you Lighthouse for this beautiful story. It makes sense. I myself have not had any entities talking to me (any bad ones, only a friendly one once or twice) because I believe that I am so scared that I naturally do not notice them (or ignore them). For me that has worked up to now.

    I suppose that is what you noticed: when one calls the good entities, some bad ones are all too eager to be there also!

    What you describe reminds me of the ancient "Desert Fathers and Mothers" of Egypt, who lived as ascetics in the deserts, battling the spirits there who tried to lure them into 'sin'. St Anthony the Great in particular was a fierce fighter, and in his saints life it is described how he discerns the good from the bad ones.

    I was reading a few Dutch books by a paragnost (Jan Kleyn) and he describes how to communicate with "your guide", it is a practical book and he stays with both feet on the ground. He does warn that some people who are too much into ouia boards and such stuff (who depend on this) and who are not strongminded may have problems with negative entities, and the sooner one sends them "into the light" (some do not know they died, he explains), the better. But overall he says it is good and helpful to have communication lines with one's guide.

    I bought the book Opening to Channel first, when I read about guides on Richard's website, but I became a bit scared about the actual channelling. I just wanted to "meet" the guide. So then I found these books by Jan Kleyn and they are about this and only later on when one feels comfortable about this and really wants to, then one can continue with chanelling.

    With applying Reiki, I suppose it is helpful when guides can help you. Not by channelling them but by communicating with them (not that one's concentration should go totally into that, of course not, but a natural way could possibly be helpful).

    It is very interesting that you were able to transform some of these entities, you have helped them wel! I am envisioning you having a practice where they can visit you and you will transform them (smile). Thank you again for your insights.
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    Post by Milarepa Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:45 am

    i haven't read through this topic properly (until tomorrow), i'll see can hunt out the topics on my 'demonoic possession' experience and Reiki. i wrote bout it on another forum.

    What i would say Godiva, is why not just leave the idea of guides at the side? If it causes any inconvenience. they're not needed, unless they're needed. And that's prob more to do with inside oneself. Takes a lot of soul-searching, sleepless nights, etc, to realize there's very little needed to make ones Reiki experience strong - though quite a lot of make one think it isn't!!


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