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    Ukraine and honesty

    Post by Anata on Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:56 pm

    I was thinking a lot before leaving this post here. Yes, this forum is not a place for political discussions but there is a chance for everybody to look around and to think a bit more about the situation in our world, to think from the esoteric positions.

    I am asking everybody to send their prayers and thoughts to this country.
    I am asking to send Reiki.


    Odessa… I still can not believe that it could happen in a civilized society.
    Mariupol…
    I felt as if knifes were thrusted into me when it happened.

    The war in the South-East… I am sorry, this is not an anti-terroristic operation against “separatists”, this is the genocide against people living there.

    More then 730 000 refugees from Ukraine came to Russia. This stream of people is not stopping…
    Just think about this figure.
    And think why they are coming to Russia with "Putler", not to Ukraine!

    A friend of mine used to send me articles from “The Economist” with the words: “I know that you are brainwashed with Putin’s propaganda. Read some alternative sources from free press.”
    Free press… There is a joke about it - I suspect it is an old joke:
    -What is free press?
    -Free press is when your mum irons for you.

    (By the way, I am not happy with our press but people of my generation still have the abitity to read between lines.)

    I asked another friend to send me articles from British newspapers. When I got the letter with the cuttings dated April and March I was really surprised. I discovered that it was RUSSIA who had started the war against Georgia in 2008 – it was written nearly in every article. I told my friends about it – we were shocked. Mr Saakashvili, the ex-president of Georgia who escaped to the USA has to stand trial in Georgia now. He is accused of starting this war and being the war criminal. He will be sent to prison if he returns to his country.

    It is your choice what to read and what sources consider to be reliable: something like “The Economist” or  resources like this: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

    It is too easy to turn everything inside out.
    Just mention one fact and “forget” about another. The pictures will be absolutely different.
    Let me mention a historical fact here. Everybody knows that Sweden was neutral during the Second World War. But it was selling iron ore to Hitler. Oh, yes! It was business, just business. Swedish miners had to feed their families and Swedish economy had to function properly. But without this ore Hitler would had been unable to produce his tanks and planes.
    It is not the only fact I can put here!

    It is too difficult to be honest in modern society. But if you do not tell lies you will not be deceived. This thought had appeared somewhere in this  forum. Was it here?  Wink http://www.reikilearninglounge.com/t2236-the-nature-of-sound

    Afganistan, Iraq, Sirya, Ukraine... Who will be the next?


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    Re: Ukraine and honesty

    Post by Milarepa on Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:17 pm

    Hi Anata,

    This is a personal interest of mine atm. Totally with you on this. We think alike.

    Could I ask that you edit it a bit. So it is in line with Reiki distant healing. I suspect you are requesting that for Ukraine?

    Warmest wishes

    Wayne


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    Re: Ukraine and honesty

    Post by chi_solas on Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:33 pm

    Anata usually it takes decades before
    truths appear about wartime rights &
    wrongs. It is heartbreaking to be right
    smack in the middle during the struggle
    of war time. Reiki sure can help bring
    personal energy to individuals who are
    open to receive it. Many success stories
    from the holocaust are meshed with working
    together, sharing and healthy attitudes about
    surviving. I send you Reiki and support your
    need to bring harmony amid the horrors that
    you are experiencing. Arrow flower


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    Re: Ukraine and honesty

    Post by Anata on Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:34 pm

    Thank you, chi solas.
    Yes, it takes decades...
    If the Boeing was shoot by Russia or by rebellions the experts would have published their reports immediately. They are trying to hide the truth now.

    The amount of Ukrainian refugees in Russia (according to the last TV programm) is 820 thousand.

    I’ ve written a letter to my friend. It was several months ago, in March. I’ve decided to post it here because historical paralles are fantastic. There is not anything private, the letter is about history.
    The letter might be looking too long for this forum but the explanation comes at the end.

    *****
    I have been reading a book by Russian historian Nikolay Starikov «1917. The solution of “Russian revolution”», printed in 2012. (I stress this date!) I bought this book more then a year ago, opened it, found that my poor brains did not understand anything and put it on the bookshelf till better times.
    Some days ago I opened it and found that it was the most interesting reading for me!

    I never was good at history. It was just boring. Maths, physics and languages later were much more logical and interesting for me. The only thing I remember from my school and university history curse is “three signs of a revolutionary situation”. But I can boast that our curse at the University was the last who studied “The history of the CPSU”. Students who studied after us were already learning “History of Russia”.

    I never could remember the dates of these numerous meetings of the Communist Party and never could see any difference among their “fundamental” decisions. I can describe briefly what we were taught about 1917:

    Poor working class could not survive any more under the pressure of the capitalists’ exploiters. They started protesting and February Revolution happened. The Temporary Government was organized in February, 1917 as the state Duma (Parlament) could not do anything else. Nicolas II signed his abdication then. The Temporary Government started reforms but as it had been bourgeois it could not solve any problems. The protests were growing. Bolsheviks were working with working class and finally the Great October Socialist Revolution happened.

    The Fist World War was not mentioned usually when we were talking about this period. It was just a pale background.

    As soon as I started reading Starikov the picture I saw appeared quite different!
    The situation in 1917 was difficult, the countries were exhausted by the war but the position of Russia was quit strong. Moreover, the attack in Balkan peninsula had been planned in March and April of 1917. Russian troops had very good chances to enter Kostantinopol (and to join it to the territory of Russia!) and to control Bosfor and Dardanellas! Can you imagine it? Can you imagine that anybody else could be happy with such development of events? This is the key why the first revolution happened in February.

    There were problems with food in Petrograd that winter (1917). Workers of Putilovsky factory started a strike. But… It was a war factory! They were producing weapon for the troops and lives of the soldiers in trenches depended on their production! In any other country during the war time the organizers of such strikes could be sent to prison and shoot. But the police did not do anything, moreover the police was forbidden to use weapon. Cossacks were sent to soother the crowd but… they did not have any weapon, either. They could not use sabers against people who were without any weapon but they did not have whips either! The first victim of the protests was a policeman  who was trying to pull a red flag from somebody. According to Starikov’s fugures 1433 people were killed. Mainly they were policemen and officers. Do you remember events in Kiev? The police stood without weapon with shields and the crowd was throwing Molotov’s cocktails in them! The first victims in Kiev in 2014 were policemen.

    The instructions of General Belyaev to the soldiers in Petrograd in 1917 were: not to wound anybody. But that made demonstrates sure that they can go further with their protests! Neither tsar (who was not in the city at this moment) nor his wife were informed about demonstrations on time. It was disinformation of them!

    On the 27th of February a new government was organized to struggle with anarchy. Alexander Kerensky was playing a dramatic role in it. Let me miss some important events and write about first laws created by this Temporary Goverment. They sound unbelievable!

    Nicolas II signed his abdication on the 2nd of March. The program of the Temporary Government was signed in the evening of the 2nd of March and published the next day. What a fantastic speed! It seems that it had been prepared in advance!

    1. Amnesty was announced to all criminals: political, religious, war revolts, terrorists and so on. More over, all these criminals got FREE  railway tickets to return home! They were called “Kerensky’s nestlings” later.
    2. The freedom to publish and tell anything was announced, the freedom to stricke. It sounds lovely and democratic  if we forget about the war. Now the workers can strike freely instead of producing guns for the soldiers! And if bakers can discuss the policy of the country it will definitely increase the amount of bread for the population!
    3. The police must be changed into the people’s militia. The best time for the reform especially if we take into account the first position! What’s the difference between the police and the militia?
    4. The soldiers can use all civil rights for other categories of population. Excellent! Spend an hour in a trench, then two hours in a meeting discussing the orders of the officer! It will definitely increase the war power of the troops!

    There were other fantastic points in the program which I miss now as I am not a translator of this book.

    Then there was an Order №1 from the 1st of March  (mind the date of abdication!) which was spread in the whole army. Later the Temporary Government kept telling that it had been made by mistake, the Order had been written just for the special garrison in Petrograd. I am writing here just a couple of the most fantastic points!

    - The orders of the State Duma must be stood just if they do not contradict to the orders of the Soviets of Workers and Soldiers. It means that the government can not command by its own army!
    - All weapon must be controlled by the battalion committees and not given to the officers even if they demand it. Can you imagine it during the war? An officer without a gun!
    - Soldiers have to keep the strictest discipline when they serve but they have all freedoms when they are not on  duty. After that the soldiers do not have any DUTIES, they have RIGHTS!

    Order №1 killed Russian army in one moment!

    On the 5th of March Knyaz Lvov, a member of the Temporary Government, sends a directive to governors: “Temporary Government finds it is necessary to dismiss temporary governors and vice-governors. The management of the territories must be done by the chairmen of zemstvos.” And… there were no instructions how to manage… The whole country was left without authorities in one moment!

    It is obvious that all such reforms could drive the country to the catastrophe only! One does not need much to ruin down the country.

    All this orders of the Temporary Government seem to be illogical if we think that their aim was to bring Russia to prosperity.
    But they are turning to be perfectly logical if the aim is to RUIN DOWN the country.


    The parallels with Kiev are obvious for me now. (I am sorry, I do not know if it is obvious for you from my letter.)

    By the way, my husband has shown me an article about France. We had a good laugh together. France had annexed an island in Komora Islands in 2011 and … nobody shouted about human rights abuse! Frau Merkel did not utter a single word about economic sanctions to the aggressor! I am writing it with the ironic smile. I am sorry the link to the article is in Russian.

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    Re: Ukraine and honesty

    Post by chi_solas on Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:48 pm

    Anata, it is mind boggling as a citizen
    of any country to begin to understand
    the politics involved in all the territorial
    fighting that erupts around the world
    Folks seeking power at any cost with
    loss of human life. The best we can do
    is trust the universe, knowing we can stay
    safe and continue to support/use ULFE
    to bring peace and harmony into our local
    communities sunny


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    Post by Anata on Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:34 pm

    Yes, it is boring.
    But is is an perfect example how easy to ruin down a strong country by "stupid" laws and orders.

    I bet that one day we will find all Ukrainian goverment somewhere in London. Mr Yatsenyuk and company will be reading lectures about ecomomy and writing books. Their bank accounts will never be arrested and they will never be accused of being criminals.

    By the way, have you read "Maria Stuart" by Stefan Zweig?
    I recommend this brilliant book to everybody.
    The last chapter shows us the behaviour of a real politician...
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    Post by chi_solas on Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:46 am

    Anata wrote:Yes, it is boring.
    But is is an perfect example how easy to ruin down a strong country by "stupid" laws and orders.

    I bet that one day we will find all Ukrainian goverment somewhere in London. Mr Yatsenyuk and company will be reading lectures about ecomomy and writing books. Their bank accounts will never be arrested and they will never be accused of being criminals.

    By the way, have you read "Maria Stuart" by Stefan Zweig?
    I recommend this brilliant book to everybody.
    The last chapter shows us the behaviour of a real politician...

    Anata did you interpret boggling for boring?
    boggling means overwhelming.

    It helps if a government allows citizens to
    be part of making amendments to laws that
    no longer work/apply for the betterment of
    its people. Voting on new amendments can
    create a better union.

    Yes world leaders and their advocates have
    a way of covering up past deals that make
    them wealthy while the average citizen still
    struggles with a bad economy. The best we
    can do is vote them out of office at election
    time.

    Best not to try and look ahead at what we
    think these politicians might do in the future
    but focus on the present time and the solutions
    to making peace and harmony within ourselves.
    We should not allow ourselves be drawn into their
    drama. Its their circus, their monkey, not ours sunny


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