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    Post by chi_solas on Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:30 pm

    Yes, please give my permission for any one to send me Reiki healings.

    I am asking folks to send Reiki to Debbie W. a Reiki Practitioner who has under gone some radiation treatments and could use some support to help her alleviate her pain and heal. sunny


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    Re: Reiki support

    Post by chi_solas on Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:52 am

    chi_solas wrote:
    Yes, please give my permission for any one to send me Reiki healings.

    I am asking folks to send Reiki to Debbie W. a Reiki Practitioner who has under gone some radiation treatments and could use some support to help her alleviate her pain and heal. sunny

    Update; Debbie is now in a FL Hospice
    if you can send Reiki to assist her
    during this transition she would
    appreciate it. Thanks sunny


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    Re: Reiki support

    Post by Milarepa on Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:43 am

    i'll do a 20 min absent treatment this evening Bridget, Smile .


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    Re: Reiki support

    Post by chi_solas on Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:34 am

    Milarepa wrote:i'll do a 20 min absent treatment this evening Bridget, Smile .

    Thanks Wayne. when this person contacted
    me she was so full of hope. In July she
    was diagnosed with cancer, and given 2
    years to live. In August they did a biopsy
    and that's when everything went wrong Crying or Very sad
    Reiki still has the power to help her find
    the peace needed for her transition. sunny


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    Post by Thaak on Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:51 pm

    As healers, sometimes we think it is our job to physically heal someone, when perhaps the healing needed is not the physical ailment, but rather the psychological fear of the unknown. In this case, the unknown and scary transition into a spiritual existence from a physical one. Fear of death.

    My shaman instructor calls this being a midwife for the unseen world. At times, this means birthing someone into their new existence after physical death.
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    Re: Reiki support

    Post by chi_solas on Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:27 am

    Thaak wrote:As healers, sometimes we think it is our job to physically heal someone, when perhaps the healing needed is not the physical ailment, but rather the psychological fear of the unknown. In this case, the unknown and scary transition into a spiritual existence from a physical one. Fear of death.

    My shaman instructor calls this being a midwife for the unseen world. At times, this means birthing someone into their new existence after physical death.

    i have assisted a few people during transitions
    like this one. I know what I'm suppose to feel
    and do. I'm still learning to accept the difference,
    with each one it does not make it easier.

    Right now Debbie has accepted hospice and is concerned
    more about her Husband. Such pain & heartache all rolled
    into one.


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    Post by Thaak on Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:50 am

    chi_solas wrote:
    Thaak wrote:As healers, sometimes we think it is our job to physically heal someone, when perhaps the healing needed is not the physical ailment, but rather the psychological fear of the unknown. In this case, the unknown and scary transition into a spiritual existence from a physical one. Fear of death.

    My shaman instructor calls this being a midwife for the unseen world. At times, this means birthing someone into their new existence after physical death.

    i have assisted a few people during transitions
    like this one. I know what I'm suppose to feel
    and do. I'm still learning to accept the difference,
    with each one it does not make it easier.

    Right now Debbie has accepted hospice and is concerned
    more about her Husband. Such pain & heartache all rolled
    into one.

    My grandmother (my dad's step mom--never met my real grandmother as she died when my dad was 9) was recently diagnosed with terminal liver cancer. That was in April and they gave her maybe a year to live. She's 90. She is apparently feeling fine now, and is going to have a celebration of her life party in October.

    My shamanic practice has a lesson in "deathing" someone. I'm not even sure how to bring this up to my grandmother, let alone whether I could follow through with it. I know that I would make the effort if she wanted me to though.

    So I do understand the feeling of conflict that arises when one is presented with such a situation.
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    Post by chi_solas on Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:24 pm

    Thaak wrote:
    chi_solas wrote:
    Thaak wrote:As healers, sometimes we think it is our job to physically heal someone, when perhaps the healing needed is not the physical ailment, but rather the psychological fear of the unknown. In this case, the unknown and scary transition into a spiritual existence from a physical one. Fear of death.

    My shaman instructor calls this being a midwife for the unseen world. At times, this means birthing someone into their new existence after physical death.

    i have assisted a few people during transitions
    like this one. I know what I'm suppose to feel
    and do. I'm still learning to accept the difference,
    with each one it does not make it easier.

    Right now Debbie has accepted hospice and is concerned
    more about her Husband. Such pain & heartache all rolled
    into one.

    My grandmother (my dad's step mom--never met my real grandmother as she died when my dad was 9) was recently diagnosed with terminal liver cancer. That was in April and they gave her maybe a year to live. She's 90. She is apparently feeling fine now, and is going to have a celebration of her life party in October.

    My shamanic practice has a lesson in "deathing" someone. I'm not even sure how to bring this up to my grandmother, let alone whether I could follow through with it. I know that I would make the effort if she wanted me to though.

    So I do understand the feeling of conflict that arises when one is presented with such a situation.

    Wow! "deathing" that's a strong terminology
    over transitioning. I would have thought that
    Shamanic would refer death as leaving the body (vessel)? confused


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    Re: Reiki support

    Post by Thaak on Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:43 pm

    chi_solas wrote:

    Wow! "deathing" that's a strong terminology
    over transitioning. I would have thought that
    Shamanic would refer death as leaving the body (vessel)? confused

    Well part of the particular path I am learning, is that there is no fear in death or the transition. We also study impeccability quite strongly. In this instance, it appears we are being taught that there is no need to couch the philosophy in softer terms.
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    Post by Arabella on Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:19 am

    I'm loving this discussion. I find the "deathing" approach so beautiful. I'm reminded of a movie -- wish I could remember what it was -- where a mother was with her son as he died and helping him, saying "Remember when you were born? Don't be afraid; this is the same." I can't remember the exact words but it was very powerful.
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    Post by Thaak on Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:28 am

    I remember a conversation that Christina Donnel (my teacher) had with the Allyu (group of students) on one of our once a month Monday night classes. She had been late to the class (it was announced before hand that she would be late) because she was deathing someone.

    She knows some doctors in the local hospital system, who are very alternative medicine friendly. They also have a good eye for families who would be open to Christina's abilities. One such family had a 21 year old son who was in a terrible car accident. The prognosis was not good. The doctors predicted that he'd be on life support and never regain consciousness. Essentially no brain activity and in a vegetative state until his body would just give out.

    So Christina met with the family and they were amenable to her deathing their son.

    When she spoke to us of the occurence, she used the words, "It isn't easy to kill someone who is so young and at one time so full of life and potential."
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    Post by Pandora on Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:58 am

    I'm finding this topic very interesting.

    I've recently been accepted as a volunteer therapist for our local hospice, and am waiting to go through the induction process before I start. In the interview, I was warned that a previous therapist was present at the death of one of the patients - she was actually giving a treatment at the time. The thought occurred to me, how beautiful and what a privilege to be allowed to be with someone when they made the passage. I'm sure I wouldn't have had that reaction before I became attuned to Reiki!

    So if anyone wants to share any thoughts on this eventuality...
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    Post by Arabella on Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:10 am

    When she spoke to us of the occurence, she used the words, "It isn't
    easy to kill someone who is so young and at one time so full of life
    and potential."

    Andy, I'm not sure I understand what she meant by that... can you explain?
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    Post by Milarepa on Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:42 am

    Pandora wrote:...she was actually giving a treatment at the time. The thought occurred to me, how beautiful and what a privilege to be allowed to be with someone when they made the passage. I'm sure I wouldn't have had that reaction before I became attuned to Reiki!

    So if anyone wants to share any thoughts on this eventuality...

    I'm near sure that Kris had this expereince, with a close relative perhaps (?) . I'll send her an email.


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    Post by Thaak on Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:27 am

    Arabella wrote:
    When she spoke to us of the occurence, she used the words, "It isn't
    easy to kill someone who is so young and at one time so full of life
    and potential."

    Andy, I'm not sure I understand what she meant by that... can you explain?

    When, in this shamanic path, you are "deathing" someone, you aren't just sitting there with them and helping them to pass more easily. You actually take energetic action to cause them to pass. Of course you do this in such a way that it makes the passing pleasant and easy...
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    Post by Arabella on Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:41 am

    Oh, I see ... well, "kill" is a pretty loaded word. Interesting. I was thinking that it was more like guidance/accompaniment through the environment along their way. Pretty amazing stuff.

    When my MIL was dying, my husband's sister was calling the family and putting them on speakerphone so she could hear them. When he was saying goodbye to her, he said "Godspeed" and she died almost immediately.
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    Post by chuglet on Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:47 am

    In the Nyngmapa school of Tibetan Buddhism(out of the 4 different clans this was the one most aligned with the native Bon roots of Tibetans and also has more tantric and Shamanistic practices as well) there is a ceremony called a "mo" which is like a cutting of the strings to this world. It is where you actually die..
    I underwent one of these..the monk was blowing on a human femur bone and reciting mantras while I just lay there..then it was exactly like one of those scenes in a movie where the person leaves there body below them..though instead of just hollywood style hovering over and gazing down at ones self, it felt like my soul or spirit simply merged with a huge white light that seemed to contain everything...
    I have no idea how long this went on for, I didn't even have a concept of my body, let alone time..so when he summoned us back it took a while before I felt inclined to speak or do anything.. I just lay down there on the bed feeling very calm and peaceful...From that day on I can honestly say that I shook off whatever fear I might have had about my own death...those were pre reiki days for me then too, and it makes me think about the reiki master symbol as not just something to be used during initiations, but rather of the source of all that is.....kevin
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    Post by Milarepa on Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:56 am

    chuglet wrote:..and it makes me think about the reiki master symbol as not just something to be used during initiations, but rather of the source of all that is.....kevin

    Fantastic post Kevin!

    DKM is the source. After all, it means great bright light, of a spiritual being, Smile.


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    Post by Thaak on Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:23 am

    chuglet wrote:In the Nyngmapa school of Tibetan Buddhism(out of the 4 different clans this was the one most aligned with the native Bon roots of Tibetans and also has more tantric and Shamanistic practices as well) there is a ceremony called a "mo" which is like a cutting of the strings to this world. It is where you actually die..
    I underwent one of these..the monk was blowing on a human femur bone and reciting mantras while I just lay there..then it was exactly like one of those scenes in a movie where the person leaves there body below them..though instead of just hollywood style hovering over and gazing down at ones self, it felt like my soul or spirit simply merged with a huge white light that seemed to contain everything...
    I have no idea how long this went on for, I didn't even have a concept of my body, let alone time..so when he summoned us back it took a while before I felt inclined to speak or do anything.. I just lay down there on the bed feeling very calm and peaceful...From that day on I can honestly say that I shook off whatever fear I might have had about my own death...those were pre reiki days for me then too, and it makes me think about the reiki master symbol as not just something to be used during initiations, but rather of the source of all that is.....kevin

    I had a similar experience during my West shamanic workshop. We all practiced "deathing" each other. We actually lifted each other out of our bodies and let us feel what it was like to be without a body.

    Now my personal experience when I was the one being "deathed" was not quite as visual as yours, but it was quite profound never-the-less.
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    Post by Arabella on Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:44 am

    Amazing!

    So... would the actions taken here be similar to what was done deathing someone who was actually dying?

    Off-topic a bit, a while back I had a visit, in spirit, from my deceased former FIL and my former MIL who is in a nursing home. She has Altzheimers. I felt they were telling me she wanted to be freed and that they thought there was something I could do.
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    Post by Thaak on Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:42 am

    Arabella wrote:Amazing!

    So... would the actions taken here be similar to what was done deathing someone who was actually dying?

    Off-topic a bit, a while back I had a visit, in spirit, from my deceased former FIL and my former MIL who is in a nursing home. She has Altzheimers. I felt they were telling me she wanted to be freed and that they thought there was something I could do.

    Yes, she showed us the process to death someone. It entailed unwinding the chakra’s in a particular order, and then gently helping their light body to leave through their crown.

    What we did for each other, was unwound the chakra’s from root to crown (so-as to not really start the deathing process, but to allow the lifting of the light body from the physical body) then several folks each lifted our light body up from our body.

    I would imagine you could do the actual deathing procedure in order, send the light body out, and then call it back again. Which is what it sounds like the above experience was describing.
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    Post by Arabella on Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:02 am

    Once more, my mind is blown. It's wonderful to have a venue to talk about things like this.
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    Post by chi_solas on Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:56 pm

    I read this article on dying &
    it makes sense to me as a Reiki
    Practitioner that Reiki touch
    plays a big role in helping people
    make the transition. Here's an excerpt
    What Dying People Want
    BEING TOUCHED, BEING IN TOUCH by David Kuhl, M.D.

    "I stayed with Bill, my husband, as he lay dying. I feel so bad now that I didn't lie beside him on the bed and hold him in my arms! I'm reading about this now, the need to touch. But worse than that was, I sent the children away. They came to say goodbye to their father. They stood there and talked with him and said what they had to say, which was very stoic. They didn't touch him, they didn't sit on the bed. I would have liked some direction. I wish I'd been told that it's okay to lie on the bed and put my arms around him and hold him while he's dying instead of sitting on a chair. I wish someone had told me that my children should stay with their father and sit beside him, sit on the edge of the bed, touch him, hold his hand, talk to him, and stay until he dies. But there was no one. I wish someone had been there to tell me how to do it right—which I now know but didn't know then."


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    Post by chi_solas on Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:32 pm

    Debbie passed over on Wednesday
    October 14th.


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    Post by Arabella on Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:25 pm

    Chi_solas, I'm sorry to hear of your friend's passing. I hope it was peaceful. Still sending energy to Debbie and her family.

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