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    Energetic Frequencies and Music

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    Post by Lambs-Wool Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:11 am

    thanks Colin for the insightful answer Smile

    when we talk about music, we have some variations between east and west... resembling guitars, challo, violin we have sitaar, and another instrument which has one string only instead of 6 on the fret...similarly we have harmonium more in use than the piano... and so on....


    i have no education in music stuff, and nor i have learned it so far, except some early age experience in guitars and writing music on staff-lines... during early practice we usually try and practice one chord at a time and no shifting, and there i had a feeling that we keep playing a chord for long time, it sorta feels that we have been tuned in to that... like you said, major chords produce an effect of spontaniety and energy, whereas minor ones produce a note-down effect....

    once i was present in a hall where there was a violin class goin on... and i could literally feel the negative vibes of the music being played upon... it is interesting to note that in our college, the furniture, almirah, and wooden items of the violin hall, had a remarkable more visible decay and dead-feeling than the rest of the college... and so on.. so music sure affects us, whether in a negative way or in a postive way....

    i have felt that music instruments which use air flow for producing sound, like flute, harmonium, etc. have a more patho-like effect on moods than stringed-instruments like guitars, with violin in exception....


    when we tune our newly bought guitar, i have noticed that first we have to tune ourselves to the 'intrinsic' vibration of the guitar itself before attempting to tune it with tuning forks or electric tuner... so in a way, we have to flow with the music in order to get a feel of it....


    another question Colin : do the specific time of playing an instrument or playing a note, or a particular lyric, has to do something with its effects... is there any category of notes that must be played in night, and others to be played in daytime ?

    and one more Smile ! when you compose music, what you compose first - tunes or lyrics ??


    take care

    Smile

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    Post by Colin Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:09 am

    Lambs-Wool wrote:thanks Colin for the insightful answer Smile

    when we talk about music, we have some variations between east and west... resembling guitars, challo, violin we have sitaar, and another instrument which has one string only instead of 6 on the fret...similarly we have harmonium more in use than the piano... and so on....

    Yes, I believe the actual scale structure and range of musical frequency intervals is also different between east and west.

    Lambs-Wool wrote:
    i have no education in music stuff, and nor i have learned it so far, except some early age experience in guitars and writing music on staff-lines... during early practice we usually try and practice one chord at a time and no shifting, and there i had a feeling that we keep playing a chord for long time, it sorta feels that we have been tuned in to that... like you said, major chords produce an effect of spontaniety and energy, whereas minor ones produce a note-down effect....

    once i was present in a hall where there was a violin class goin on... and i could literally feel the negative vibes of the music being played upon... it is interesting to note that in our college, the furniture, almirah, and wooden items of the violin hall, had a remarkable more visible decay and dead-feeling than the rest of the college... and so on.. so music sure affects us, whether in a negative way or in a postive way....

    i have felt that music instruments which use air flow for producing sound, like flute, harmonium, etc. have a more patho-like effect on moods than stringed-instruments like guitars, with violin in exception....


    when we tune our newly bought guitar, i have noticed that first we have to tune ourselves to the 'intrinsic' vibration of the guitar itself before attempting to tune it with tuning forks or electric tuner... so in a way, we have to flow with the music in order to get a feel of it....

    Interesting! I do know that a new instrument when you try it out in a shop or play someone else's instrument often does not feel as comfortable as your own instrument - even if it is the same model.

    I think the cultural differences in musical tones and instrumentation also have an effect on the listener. One's ears are entrained to interpret certain frequencies as pleasant which may seem discordant and unpleasant to someone who has never heard them before.

    Lambs-Wool wrote:
    another question Colin : do the specific time of playing an instrument or playing a note, or a particular lyric, has to do something with its effects... is there any category of notes that must be played in night, and others to be played in daytime ?
    As far as I am aware, in Western music there are no categories of notes played only at certain parts of the day or night - although I am aware that certain ragas(?) are played only at certain times in India.

    Lambs-Wool wrote:
    and one more Smile ! when you compose music, what you compose first - tunes or lyrics ??

    Usually music first and many of my compositions never get to the lyrics stage. However, sometimes, I hear a phrase or think of a situation and write words and them compose a tune around them. So both ways really! Very Happy

    Note to moderators: if anyone wants to move these posts about music to a different section, please feel free, since they may be considered off topic from this thread but I can't see how to move them myself! scratch
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    Post by chi_solas Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:10 am

    I'm not a musician.I did use music
    in place of radiation during my
    healing journey. My favorite piece
    of music crossed my path by accident
    or synchronicity "riding thunder"
    I have just written a healing piece on
    "toning" Music has been with us as long
    as Reiki they are oneness with the earth's
    healing power sunny

    My daughter is a violinist, my grandson
    has traded his guitar for the saxophone
    and last week he gave me a lesson on how
    to read his saxophone music & when to take
    a breath. I might just take up playing music. study

    I AM MUSIC by Allen C. Inman

    I am music most ancient of the arts. I am more than ancient; I am eternal. Even before life commenced upon this earth. I was here in the winds and waves. When the first trees and flowers, and grasses appeared, I was among them. And when Man came, I at once became the most delicate, most subtle, and most powerful medium for the expression of Man’s emotions. When men were little better than beasts. I influenced them for their good. In all ages I have inspired men with hope, kindled their love, given a voice to their joy, cheered them on to valorous deeds, and soothed them in times of despair. I have played a great part in the drama of life, whose end purpose is the complete perfection of man’s nature. Through my influence human nature has been uplifted, sweetened and refined. With the aid of men, I have become a Fine Art. I have a myriad of voices and instruments. I am in the hearts of all men and on their tongues, in all lands among all peoples; The ignorant and unlettered know me, not less than the rich and the learned. For I speak to all men, in a language that all understand. Even the deaf hear me, If they but listen to the voices of their own souls. I am the food of love. I have taught men gentleness and peace; and I have led them onward to heroic deeds. I comfort the lonely, and I harmonize the discord of crowds. I am necessary luxury to all men. I am Music.....
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    Post by Colin Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:16 am

    Very Happy
    Yes, give it a go, Bridget!
    Like most things, it does require dedication and practice to get good results in most cases though! Cool

    Thanks for sharing the piece: "I Am Music" - it is very thought-provoking yet very true!
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    Post by chi_solas Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:23 am

    Colin wrote:Very Happy
    Yes, give it a go, Bridget!
    Like most things, it does require dedication and practice to get good results in most cases though! Cool

    Thanks for sharing the piece: "I Am Music" - it is very thought-provoking yet very true!

    Thanks for cheering me on.
    First a thought and then it
    becomes real no clown around
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    Post by Milarepa Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:16 am

    Colin wrote:

    Note to moderators: if anyone wants to move these posts about music to a different section, please feel free, since they may be considered off topic from this thread but I can't see how to move them myself! scratch

    The icons at the bottom right of this topic page give you the options Colin.
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    Post by Lambs-Wool Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:01 pm

    Thanks for the brilliant share Bridget Smile

    it is very interesting to note that music existed even before mankind 'invented' it or, better to say, became familiar with it.... music is a second name of universal harmony and harmonization...

    no doubt, that we hear music in the gush of winds, in the tingle of blades of grass, in the oneness of silence, and so ad infinitum...


    if we sit in silence and shut ears by earplugs or cotton swab and 'hear' to inner silence, we very soon come to discover a continuous echo, that is sometimes uncomfortable, but times very soothing... and as we keep going concentrating on this echo, we find harmonic sound patterns emerging from that echo... and very noteworthy to emphasize that such sound patterns vary with stretch of time within the 24-hour cycle... immediately after sunset, such patterns are sorta 'blanketed' (not very pronounced), in the time immediately before noon, they are 'hollow', near sunset, again very 'diffused' and after midnight very very pronounced and visibly clear to follow...

    i have no doubts in calling these patterns as universal musical notes... Smile


    and again a very interesting thing i have experienced about them... i once had a month to spend in a hilly area... in hilly places, the patterns are almost constant across the whole 24-day cycle except at sunrise and sunset where they show some change...

    i can gusess that the reason of this harmony is the entrainment of these patterns with hills and rocks... the people who live in hilly areas, and who use to spend time outdoors, often endorse that they often feel like 'hills' talking... personally, i have felt a flavour of this too, but their sine-wave is very elongatged... i mean, if i draw a graph of mind-waves of a hill on a 24-day scale, the approximate time between two consecutive troughs or peaks would be little less than 12 hours...

    sometimes, i feel as if hills 'breathe' two times within a 24 hour cycle Smile


    by all means, i agree to the beautiful piece you shared Smile


    take care

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    Post by chi_solas Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:02 am

    The ocean sound is therapudic
    maybe Colin can tell us what
    musical instrument can capture
    that or is it just a heightened
    sound crashing to its lowest level


    The "toning" I used during my healing
    involved music of horses galloping.
    Years later I came across the same
    music on a CD "riding thunder" a
    native flute ensemble & noted that the
    music represents horses escaping from
    shipwrecked Spanish galleons and moving
    to the Texas coast and then migrating to
    the great buffalo plains.

    Amazing if you compare it to what my
    intent was, it was to use the music
    to break up the mutated cells. The
    energetic frequency of the music did
    the job. sunny
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    Post by Lambs-Wool Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:01 pm

    Dear Bridget Smile

    chi_solas wrote:The ocean sound is therapudic
    maybe Colin can tell us what
    musical instrument can capture
    that or is it just a heightened
    sound crashing to its lowest level

    indeed oceanic sound is so soothing... but in moonlight, its sound changes so dramatically, and becomes truly eternal Smile ! an important inference about oceans is that it brings to shore what it takes/englufs during daytime... and naturally, if we meditate on oceanic sound, we have to be careful of this attitude that changes from daylight to night...



    chi_solas wrote:
    The "toning" I used during my healing
    involved music of horses galloping.
    Years later I came across the same
    music on a CD "riding thunder" a
    native flute ensemble & noted that the
    music represents horses escaping from
    shipwrecked Spanish galleons and moving
    to the Texas coast and then migrating to
    the great buffalo plains.


    rythmatic sounds of animals like you said above, like chirping of birds on sunrise and sunset, like constant (irritating) sound of crow, sounds of bats, sounds of owls (if they happen to be in groups, which is very rare), etc. have certain effects..
    what i m particularly curious is that did you use that sound on every next patient or it was suited to certain patients and not on others ??



    chi_solas wrote:
    Amazing if you compare it to what my
    intent was, it was to use the music
    to break up the mutated cells. The
    energetic frequency of the music did
    the job. sunny


    i came to know a while ago that you have great interest in treatment of cancer patients and have a very good, promising, successful experience too... while music has certain frequencies helpful to the end you mentioned Bridget, but do we have to carfully select which one is best for our purpose ?


    treating a cancer tumor is (as per my assumption) differnt from ordinary ailments... while we have to help raising the immunity in normal ailments, we have to sideline / isolate the caneric areas... it is, in a way, a reverse action, we have to control the rapid cell-division of the affected area... indeed it is very much in mystery how reiki helps in curing cancer....


    would be a highly-valued piece for me and for general readership if you coul share some experiences about treatement of cancer patients...


    take care

    salman


    PS. if you could start a new topic in "healing" area about the treatment of cancers, it would be rather best for buddig members like me Smile
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    Post by Lambs-Wool Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:18 pm

    Colin wrote:
    Interesting! I do know that a new instrument when you try it out in a shop or play someone else's instrument often does not feel as comfortable as your own instrument - even if it is the same model.

    I think the cultural differences in musical tones and instrumentation also have an effect on the listener. One's ears are entrained to interpret certain frequencies as pleasant which may seem discordant and unpleasant to someone who has never heard them before.

    yes, a good point.. somtimes things appear good to us simply since we are used to them already Smile having that said, how we can make use of the theraupatic benefits of music but tailoring it to a particular disease we want to treat for ? any guidelines explored in this area in your long music journey Colin Smile ?


    Colin wrote:
    As far as I am aware, in Western music there are no categories of notes played only at certain parts of the day or night - although I am aware that certain ragas(?) are played only at certain times in India.

    well yes... in india, ragas are played with reference to particular time... study of music is very deep of course... we have certain singers in india and pakistan you publicly displayed their art of shattering glass pegs by singing in a particular raga (rag) with constant concentration...

    in indian mythology, certain people have been believed to attract rainshowers by singing a particular rag... i dont testify what is beleived, but mythology, generally speaking, has always a starting point... and no harm in believing upto that starting point though Smile


    take care

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    Post by chi_solas Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:36 am

    Lambs-Wool wrote:
    Dear Bridget Smile
    i came to know a while ago that you have great interest in treatment of cancer patients and have a very good, promising, successful experience too... while music has certain frequencies helpful to the end you mentioned Bridget, but do we have to carfully select which one is best for our purpose ?

    treating a cancer tumor is (as per my assumption) differnt from ordinary ailments... while we have to help raising the immunity in normal ailments, we have to sideline / isolate the caneric areas... it is, in a way, a reverse action, we have to control the rapid cell-division of the affected area... indeed it is very much in mystery how reiki helps in curing cancer....

    would be a highly-valued piece for me and for general readership if you coul share some experiences about treatement of cancer patients...
    take care
    salman
    PS. if you could start a new topic in "healing" area about the treatment of cancers, it would be rather best for buddig members like me Smile

    Salman sorry that the healing got mixed into this thread.
    I don't see a healing section for other healing tools
    like toning could fit into. Maybe Wayne can generate
    another area where we can talk about Crystals, QT, Toning,
    self talk,& other tools outside of Reiki. What role they
    play working along side Reiki.
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    Post by Milarepa Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:16 am

    We do have a section specifically for non-Reiki stuff at:

    http://www.reikilearninglounge.com/non-reiki-healing-techniques-expereinces-f22/ in the 'Reiki expereinces' category, Smile.
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    Post by Colin Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:24 am

    chi_solas wrote:The ocean sound is therapudic
    maybe Colin can tell us what
    musical instrument can capture
    that or is it just a heightened
    sound crashing to its lowest level

    Hi Bridget

    I think the closest you can get to the sound of the ocean with a 'musical' instrument is a modulated white noise (a mixture of lots of sound frequencies in the way that white light is a mix of lots of colour frequencies). The modulation plus other technical things, if done correctly, can produce an acceptable approximation to the sound of the ocean...but it will not necessarily have the same therapeutic effect. Not even the recording or sampling of the actual ocean will be as therapeutic as actually experiencing it first hand - listening to the waves, feeling the breeze, breathing the ozone-laden air! Very Happy
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    Post by Colin Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:32 am

    Lambs-Wool wrote:
    yes, a good point.. somtimes things appear good to us simply since we are used to them already Smile having that said, how we can make use of the theraupatic benefits of music but tailoring it to a particular disease we want to treat for ? any guidelines explored in this area in your long music journey Colin Smile ?

    Most of my music making has not been aimed particularly at healing disease as such -although a good rock-out on guitar can be good for relieving the stress of the guitarist - even if it may aggravate the stress of the listener, sometimes! Laughing

    However, more recently, I have tried my hand at composing more relaxing music, for example to accompany my practice of hatsurei ho and still have an on-going project of getting some tracks together for a Reiki Music CD.

    Lambs-Wool wrote:
    in indian mythology, certain people have been believed to attract rainshowers by singing a particular rag... i dont testify what is beleived, but mythology, generally speaking, has always a starting point... and no harm in believing upto that starting point though Smile


    take care

    salman

    Yes, the same is said about ancient Japanese shamans changing the weather by chanting kotodama. Smile
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    Post by Milarepa Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:58 am

    You gonna release the Reiki CD once it's done? Keep my informed if you do!
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    Post by chi_solas Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:09 pm

    Milarepa wrote:We do have a section specifically for non-Reiki stuff at:

    http://www.reikilearninglounge.com/non-reiki-healing-techniques-expereinces-f22/ in the 'Reiki expereinces' category, Smile.

    Thanks Wayne. sorry I've been napping on the job Sleep

    sunny Too much Reiki Energetic Frequencies and Music 850837
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    Post by Milarepa Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:49 pm

    Hey you do more than enough here anyhow, no need to apologise! Smile
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    Post by chi_solas Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:50 pm

    Colin wrote:
    Most of my music making has not been aimed particularly at healing disease as such -although a good rock-out on guitar can be good for relieving the stress of the guitarist - even if it may aggravate the stress of the listener, sometimes! Laughing

    However, more recently, I have tried my hand at composing more relaxing music, for example to accompany my practice of hatsurei ho and still have an on-going project of getting some tracks together for a Reiki Music CD.

    Yes, the same is said about ancient Japanese shamans changing the weather by chanting kotodama. Smile

    The native Americans do a Rain Dance
    I believe they use long sticks with
    rattle beads

    Did you use the chakra musical notes
    when composing relaxing music?

    "The First Chakra, or Root Chakra, enables us to attune to Mother Earth
    and anchor the higher frequencies of the Universe to her. When this
    Center is fully activated, the fear of death is transcended."

    it's my understanding that rock & roll
    music draws the young at heart because
    it stimulates sexual desires. bounce
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    Post by vijaybali Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:43 am

    hai friends,

    In my opinion music and soul is made for each others that reason music is omni presence different-2 form only it depend person to person to understand it.

    When i was child or baby i heard music with my mother song she used at the time to sleep me when i grow up i heard music in my toys that reason i enjoyed and that reason every child got different taste of toy according to their vibration and vibration is also part of music. When i become young i love to new age music, ( " but i am still young) as soon i become more or face the difficulties of life than start to love gazal etc as soon i come to reiki i start to love to listen inner body
    music and when i become more old than definately i will love more depeth inner soul music so it going on.

    Now my question what is that.

    This is god natural treatment to heal the soul and this give energy to body and it is system which is created the god to heal soul and this all music who is laying in the universe is medician for soul for fit it or make healthy.

    In india saint reconised it ancient time and and bring that sound in musical notes for well wishes for mankind and that reason Ragas and mantra started in indian spirituality and still all this worked and i used to listen some of ragas and mantra for perticular dieses and it work and ( mantra also base of notes for generated sound frequencies which is god created in universe or insidebody, for heal soul )

    now topic is relate to reiki or not i felt it is related to reiki because it is totaly base on vibration, vibration is liquad form which have no name and people use it according to their wishes but in god science it is same... So i feel it is part of reiki.............


    I can put deatail on raga how it attract and heal soul and wishes but i knew when anytopic is long very few people read it than definetaly i will write new topic for raga'and vibration..

    Let see what you say it is my opinion which i learned with my experienced.....

    But i appricate salman way now days how deeply he is watching everything and this good sign definately it is also good for reiki. Not feel it is part of reiki or not but i am sure this guy capable to make it as a part of reiki in future....



    Keepit up

    pls not mind my english, in short form (PNME)

    Thanks, love and regards
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    Post by Colin Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:08 pm

    chi_solas wrote:

    Did you use the chakra musical notes
    when composing relaxing music?

    Well, Bridget, I think I must have done because the chakras appear to be linked to all seven (or 12) notes of the common Western musical scale, so they must all be in almost every piece of music somewhere! Smile

    http://www.soundessence.net/chakras.php


    chi_solas wrote:
    it's my understanding that rock & roll
    music draws the young at heart because
    it stimulates sexual desires. bounce

    Now you know why I like Rock music! Twisted Evil

    vijaybali wrote:
    I can put deatail on raga how it attract and heal soul and wishes but i knew when anytopic is long very few people read it than definetaly i will write new topic for raga'and vibration.

    I for one would be interested in such a topic VJ! Smile
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    Post by chi_solas Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:18 am

    Colin wrote:
    Well, Bridget, I think I must have done because the chakras appear to be linked to all seven (or 12) notes of the common Western musical scale, so they must all be in almost every piece of music somewhere! Smile

    http://www.soundessence.net/chakras.php:)

    Great website thankyou.

    Music the international language of the world
    its got the bounce it can Sleep you, make
    you feel sunny, it can make you Sad or they're
    takinyouaway to the lol! farm haha. Most of all
    it keeps us in touch with ourselves
    king jocolor geek queen santa
    farao scratch afro flower study
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    Post by Shakti ~ Rising Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:16 am

    we have a rain stick in oor hoose......sounds like the thing bridget mentioned.....

    music can be used to heal or harm.......sound is a very very powerful medium.....

    I love earthy drum beats and feel their rythmns stir certain energies within me( not sexual( well sometimes) but more alive and free).....we don't just hear music we feel it within every cell of our being.....the vibrations wave throughout us and stimulate physiological reactions.... I'm a big dancer, doesn't take much of a decent beat to get me up shaking my soul out.... and of course different tones of music effect our brain waves.... music is the universal language that speaks to us all.... cherry

    music trancends language....

    I know I've posted this before but do check out the research into cymatics......wonderful stuff......and I have a little book on chakras showing a wonderful image created through sand when the word Aum, is chanted....I'll find the book and try and describe it better....


    I feel so much more than I hear when it comes to music.....
    we are constantly being impacted by sound waves.... Like a Star @ heaven
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    Post by Milarepa Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:36 am

    yeah, i usually experience Reiki through music. some of the music i use is from soundtracks, and on the face of it may not seem appropriate. The music out of 'world trade Center' for instant, is one i use. Particularly when 'John' (nicholas Cage) is finally rescued, and we see him so grateful, and all those folks never giving up on him and risking their lives for him. so many coming together for the greater good. that kinda music as i associate it with a powerful visual, really stirs up deep emotion inside me, and this can invariably lead to some blissful tearful releases.
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    Post by Lambs-Wool Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:09 pm

    Milarepa wrote:............... really stirs up deep emotion inside me, and this can invariably lead to some blissful tearful releases.

    really moving Smile !

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    Post by chi_solas Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:17 am

    Music that captures you may
    not be the right one for your
    client. I have not been using
    Reiki music during sessions
    unless the client wants it.
    When I volunteer and am visiting
    someones home to do a Reiki session
    I'll bring music and tell them
    its their choice to have it on or
    off. They usually have it on. I find
    folks who meditate will say no to the
    music cause it distracts them.

    music does reach your inner cords

    Doorways: Part 2
    Three forms are included here,
    Kabbalistic toning,
    Chinese healing tones,
    and the work of Laurel Elizabeth Keyes.
    Each is slightly different in its approach ...
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