o0wabi-sabi0o wrote:If we say "you cannot use the symbols unless you're Attuned to them" ...
What if instead, we say:
"the symbols cannot use you unless you are attuned to them" ?
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o0wabi-sabi0o wrote:If we say "you cannot use the symbols unless you're Attuned to them" ...
o0wabi-sabi0o wrote:
Now, what if someone had absolutely NO knowledge of the swastika... never seen it before, never heard of it. Now what if we told them the name of this symbol was Choku Rei, and taught all the history/meanings/uses that go along with it?
I'm thinking to a degree, it would work just the same.
o0wabi-sabi0o wrote:
But after thinking about the purpose of being Attuned to the symbols, I'm wondering if in being ATTUNED to them, we experience them on an entirely unique and profound level, in ways that can't be described with words. This IS similar to Buddhist Koans... you can find these on the internet as well. Most will seem like nonsensical anecdotes. After some research you might be able to understand some on an logical/intellectual level... even a hypothetical level. But there's a deeper meaning behind them that you can't possibly understand until you've EXPERIENCED the Koan. You're taught to meditate on the Koan daily, to live it, to recall it every moment....
o0wabi-sabi0o wrote:
It's one thing to read about these things, and another to experience them and put them into practice in everyday life.
Milarepa wrote:
The most important question i find with this, is why did Usui sensei pick that symbol in particular? There must surely be a reason why he choose that symbol.
CKR wasn't 'invented' by Usui sensei. So of course there are other uses of it.
Take care
Wayne
Reikijim wrote:
One Tibetan reference i found related an association to an energy field...
"Dorje with spiral energy whirls. These spirals portray fields of power generated by the dorje, the infinite nature of Buddhist wisdom. Early Buddhist century."
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"The dorje is the symbol of enlightenment. The shape of the dorje symbolizes the two forms of truth, relative and absolute. The connection of the two truths in the middle is known as the sphere of actual reality"
Both references have a Tibetan origin.....Thogchags, Ancient Amulets of Tibet...
i have the links if anyone is interested...
Reikijim wrote:
lots of references to the spiral. Nothing pre-reiki to the shape we identify as CKR.
Do you know if this symbol existed before Usui?
RJ
Reikijim wrote:
Hi Wayne,
We have the symbol, and also, we have the idea associated to it....
So, did the shape of that symbol exist before if was labeled CKR by Usui-sensei?
Reikijim wrote:
Nothing pre-reiki to the shape we identify as CKR.
Do you know if this symbol existed before Usui?
Colin wrote:
Well here is a link to the Reiki News website which has some interesting photos one of which is of a couple of 6000 year old figures apparently giving themselves Reiki and the other shows a modern bowl with a decoration very much like the CKR but the design has apparently been in use for hundreds of years and no one nowadays can remember its significance.
http://www.reiki.org/Online/sept01/SeptNL01.htm
Colin wrote:
She felt that the first horizontal line of CKR was originally just a decorative stroke which had now become part of the symbol itself. She said if CKR symbolised focusing the Reiki (or directing the spirit ) onto a particular point or area, why would it have to make a right angle turn before arriving there? Its path should be straight down from the universe and then focused using the spiral.
Colin wrote:
Like you I have come across lots of spirals in various cultures, usually symbolising energy but none have had the central line or first horizontal line. Oh, and that actually reminds me! A few years ago I met a Japanese lady who was living in the UK but was a close associate of Toshitaka Mochizuki and was a Vortex Reiki Teacher. She felt that the first horizontal line of CKR was originally just a decorative stroke which had now become part of the symbol itself. She said if CKR symbolised focusing the Reiki (or directing the spirit ) onto a particular point or area, why would it have to make a right angle turn before arriving there? Its path should be straight down from the universe and then focused using the spiral.
Ai to Hikari
Colin
Colin wrote:...Well here is a link to the Reiki News website which has some interesting photos one of which is of a couple of 6000 year old figures apparently giving themselves Reiki ..
Ok....try attuning someone, use no symbols. Whats left of the attunment procedure?
Really, tell me how you would do it, and where you would start...let me know the out come...It would be fascinating.
o0wabi-sabi0o wrote:Ok....try attuning someone, use no symbols. Whats left of the attunment procedure?
Really, tell me how you would do it, and where you would start...let me know the out come...It would be fascinating.
Question: does Attuning someone to the symbols mean "imprinting them into their aura" (or whatever you wish to call it - "spiritual blueprint," "soul" etc.) or does it mean introducing them to the symbol, its essence, its vibration etc. through this firsthand experience?
o0wabi-sabi0o wrote:
Do you use all of the symbols in every Attunement or only those you're Attuning them to? Or do you use all of the symbols but not necessarily ATTUNE the student to each?
Thaak wrote:chuckle... I don't fear them. I just don't feel the need to use them in my personal practice any longer.o0wabi-sabi0o wrote:So yuh no need to fear the symbols.
Client: Oh, I am having some emotional problems.
Your Internal Dialogue: Ok, emotional issues, I'm gonna use SHK today.
o0wabi-sabi0o wrote:^ Win.
Thaak wrote:
Client: Oh, I am having some emotional problems.
Your Internal Dialogue: Ok, emotional issues, I'm gonna use SHK today.
This presents a problem potentially, because you are treating a symptom, rather than the person. You are also allowing your ego to make a decision how you are going to treat the symptom.
If you just open up a session with unconditional love and recognizing the divine spark, then intuition can guide you as to if you should be focusing on anything specific.
Reikijim wrote:
Hi Andy,
i totally agree with what you say here...and how i do things myself, sometimes, not always...no generalities, in treatment at least...
a very easy to understand reference...thanks man
RJ
Thaak wrote:Reikijim wrote:
Hi Andy,
i totally agree with what you say here...and how i do things myself, sometimes, not always...no generalities, in treatment at least...
a very easy to understand reference...thanks man
RJ
first, no problems. Probably the first time I was able to say, on this topic, what I wanted to say, concisely, and so it made sense to others as well.
Second, I agree. This is such a hard topic to have a discussion on sometimes, because it feels like when something is written, that is the stereotype you've chosen to live by wholly.
I'm glad you mentioned the... "no generalities," thing. Because I can't say any single session I've facilitated has been the same. Each one seems to mold itself to the client, and indeed the unique momentary needs of repeat clients as well.
Thaak wrote:
If you just open up a session with unconditional love and recognizing the divine spark, then intuition can guide you as to if you should be focusing on anything specific.
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