Providing Reiki Attunements Without Permission: Is It Right or Wrong?

Bastemhet wrote:

LightBody wrote:I doubt it... I think it would just get more confusing.
;-)

Ha!

Actually, I've noticed that while doing distance healing the warmth sensation stays for a considerably longer period as opposed to doing self-treatments.

I've met a lot of people who testify to the same. When I facilitated an in-person training group, there were some individuals who preferred to hover their hands a few inches above the person on the table as they did not feel the energy flow when their hands were placed directly on that person.

That is interesting. Besides the desensitization phenomenon that you described with the fingernail exercise, could it also have something to do with that feeling of magnetism? I remember from some of the in-person treatments I've done that when held away from the body, the flow is noted more because there is also a slight rubbery magnetic feeling. When placing the hands directly on the body, however, that goes away. And yet when pulling them back a bit, again, I have that magnetism.

Distance reiki in on form or another has been a regular part of my practice since 1996, and I've met even more people online who testify that distance attunements oftentimes feel more powerful than attunements performed in-person. With distance treatments, it seems there has always been predictably polite responses and feedback, but it seems to be with distance attunements that a greater impact is felt than when in person. It's interesting.

Indeed! Both my attunements have been in person and strangely I didn't feel the actual effects until at least 30 minutes afterward. Why could that be...? And funnily enough, one of the posts I had in mind was to ask about people's experiences with distance attunements and whether they felt that they were successful or not. Perhaps we could split this off into a new topic?

However, and this is where it gets really interesting, I've also witnessed the testimony of many individuals receiving a treatment or attunement from someone claiming to not feel anything who testified that they experienced a tremendous flow of energy.

Hmm, perhaps this comments on the fact that one of the most important uses of Reiki is that it be shared. Clearly it is helpful when doing self-treatments, but it seems like when shared with pure intent, it tends to flow more freely. At least, that's how it's been for me.

Milarepa wrote:You attuned the person without them asking or even knowing what you were doing?

mike tyson wrote:

Milarepa wrote:You attuned the person without them asking or even knowing what you were doing?

. Sure as Usi once said, sometimes the best healings are done low key.

mike tyson wrote:
The response from her spiritually was like i said immedtate.

Milarepa wrote:Hi Mike,

mike tyson wrote:

Milarepa wrote:You attuned the person without them asking or even knowing what you were doing?

. Sure as Usi once said, sometimes the best healings are done low key.

I dunno if he did say that. Or what was meant by it. In what context.

mike tyson wrote:
The response from her spiritually was like i said immedtate.

"Like I said?" Our opinions are based on our own conditioning and perception. It hardly is a benchmark for truth that another rightly believes and experiences.

A Reiki attunement can be a highly unnerving time for a person. It is essential the student s fully aware of the implications of what is a life changing experience. This is why training the student to do self treatments is so important... Although, i highly doubt the effectiveness of using an attunement for healing. Any healing, should it occur, is accidental to the process. Which is why we have treatments. And, our mouths, ears, eyes, rights and freedoms to choose what we want in our lives. Particularly, the sovereignty of an individual in society, for others to not impose their beliefs or opinions on us. Perhaps this was more about you, and your need, than hers?

Something that would resonate, is in Christianity, forcing personal spiritual beliefs on another (and it is force if consent is not gave) is disastrous. both for the religions and the individuals involved. A person must want to be saved by jesus, must wants to be baptized. This is not done by stealth, save for epiphanies. And even then, there is still conscious consent post-epiphany. An individual has a right to decide their own destiny in life. In as fully informed a way as possible.

Warmest wishes

Wayne

mike tyson wrote:

Milarepa wrote:Hi Mike,

mike tyson wrote:

Milarepa wrote:You attuned the person without them asking or even knowing what you were doing?

. Sure as Usi once said, sometimes the best healings are done low key.

I dunno if he did say that. Or what was meant by it. In what context.

mike tyson wrote:
The response from her spiritually was like i said immedtate.

"Like I said?" Our opinions are based on our own conditioning and perception. It hardly is a benchmark for truth that another rightly believes and experiences.

A Reiki attunement can be a highly unnerving time for a person. It is essential the student s fully aware of the implications of what is a life changing experience. This is why training the student to do self treatments is so important... Although, i highly doubt the effectiveness of using an attunement for healing. Any healing, should it occur, is accidental to the process. Which is why we have treatments. And, our mouths, ears, eyes, rights and freedoms to choose what we want in our lives. Particularly, the sovereignty of an individual in society, for others to not impose their beliefs or opinions on us. Perhaps this was more about you, and your need, than hers?

Something that would resonate, is in Christianity, forcing personal spiritual beliefs on another (and it is force if consent is not gave) is disastrous. both for the religions and the individuals involved. A person must want to be saved by jesus, must wants to be baptized. This is not done by stealth, save for epiphanies. And even then, there is still conscious consent post-epiphany. An individual has a right to decide their own destiny in life. In as fully informed a way as possible.

Warmest wishes

Wayne

It is difficult to prepare someone for something when they are probably not physically conscious at the moment. Also the enrgy being directed spiritually will know what to do and where to go, just like a infant getting ready to be born
I think that spiritually we can decide who is saving us or not. I maybe wrong but just because someone is physically unconscious. That doesnt mean that the are mentally or spiritually unaware of whats going on.

mike tyson wrote:Recently I did a distance healing on a friends wife who had a seizure. I had just heard of the seizure a few minutes before I sent the healing.

I hadn't done an attunement on that person in a while. However as soon as I started the attunement and distance healing I got an immediate response from the person receiving the attunement and healing. It was as if the person was waiting for it all a long.

Now I never told the person that I was going to do what I did. The only response that I told him was that help was on the way.

Milarepa wrote:You attuned the person without them asking or even knowing what you were doing?

mike tyson wrote:Sure as Usi once said, sometimes the best healings are done low key.

The response from her spiritually was like i said immedtate.

Milarepa wrote:A Reiki attunement can be a highly unnerving time for a person.

Milarepa wrote:It is essential the student s fully aware of the implications of what is a life changing experience.

Milarepa wrote:Although, i highly doubt the effectiveness of using an attunement for healing. Any healing, should it occur, is accidental to the process.

Milarepa wrote:Something that would resonate, is in Christianity, forcing personal spiritual beliefs on another (and it is force if consent is not gave) is disastrous. both for the religions and the individuals involved. A person must want to be saved by jesus, must wants to be baptized. This is not done by stealth, save for epiphanies. And even then, there is still conscious consent post-epiphany. An individual has a right to decide their own destiny in life. In as fully informed a way as possible.

mike tyson wrote:It is difficult to prepare someone for something when they are probably not physically conscious at the moment. Also the enrgy being directed spiritually will know what to do and where to go, just like a infant getting ready to be born.

I think that spiritually we can decide who is saving us or not. I maybe wrong but just because someone is physically unconscious. That doesnt mean that the are mentally or spiritually unaware of whats going on.

LightBody wrote:

Milarepa wrote:You attuned the person without them asking or even knowing what you were doing?

One of the crisises our society encountered that helped make Reiki become more popular was the AIDS crisis. During the 1990's, there were quite a few Reiki practitioners who "broke the rules" and began to provide Reiki to those suffering from the disease without their immediate consent... I emphasize the word immediate because they did not simply just provide Reiki to the person, they asked for permission from the persons Higher Consciousness (who, incidentially to the best of my knowledge, never refused).

LightBody wrote:

Milarepa wrote:A Reiki attunement can be a highly unnerving time for a person.

If the person has not asked for a Reiki attunement and a Reiki person is providing them an attunement, will the process be perceived as anything other than just another experience in their life that they perceive?

LightBody wrote:

Milarepa wrote:It is essential the student s fully aware of the implications of what is a life changing experience.

If a person does not perceive spiritual energies and someone performs a "Reiki" attunement on them without their knowledge, how will this affect their life? Will they even know that anything is any different, or that anything they experience is because of "Reiki"?

LightBody wrote:

Milarepa wrote:Although, i highly doubt the effectiveness of using an attunement for healing. Any healing, should it occur, is accidental to the process.

Not too long ago, perhaps it was in the very early 2000's, "Reiki Healing Attunements" were becoming popular. I believe they may have emerged as a means to provide some people a stronger sense of intensity during the treatments, because some people had begun to say that they really didn't feel much during the treatment process.

LightBody wrote:

Milarepa wrote:Something that would resonate, is in Christianity, forcing personal spiritual beliefs on another (and it is force if consent is not gave) is disastrous. both for the religions and the individuals involved. A person must want to be saved by jesus, must wants to be baptized. This is not done by stealth, save for epiphanies. And even then, there is still conscious consent post-epiphany. An individual has a right to decide their own destiny in life. In as fully informed a way as possible.

How much of Reiki is dogma, and how much of reiki is energy-healing?

LightBody wrote:
It is difficult to prepare someone for something when they are probably not physically conscious at the moment. Also the enrgy being directed spiritually will know what to do and where to go, just like a infant getting ready to be born.

I think that spiritually we can decide who is saving us or not. I maybe wrong but just because someone is physically unconscious. That doesnt mean that the are mentally or spiritually unaware of whats going on.

LightBody wrote:
So, if a Reiki attunement is performed on someone who, for the sake of this example let's say can sense spiritual energy, and no one is telling them it's Reiki, then wouldn't it be natural for them to discover their own meaning to the increased intensity of energy in their life, and possibly assign it to their existing belief system in some way?

mike tyson wrote:
It is difficult to prepare someone for something when they are probably not physically conscious at the moment.  Also the enrgy being directed spiritually will know what to do and where to go, just like a infant getting ready to be born
I think that spiritually we can decide who is saving us or not.  I maybe wrong but just because someone is physically unconscious.  That doesnt mean that the are mentally or spiritually unaware of whats going on.

Milarepa wrote:

Bastemhet wrote:

mike tyson wrote:
It is difficult to prepare someone for something when they are probably not physically conscious at the moment.  Also the enrgy being directed spiritually will know what to do and where to go, just like a infant getting ready to be born
I think that spiritually we can decide who is saving us or not.  I maybe wrong but just because someone is physically unconscious.  That doesnt mean that the are mentally or spiritually unaware of whats going on.

For me this is probably one of the most troubling aspects of the channeling of Reiki by well intentioned practitioners.  Whether the energy can only do good does not come before the question of whether I may be imposing on someone´s personal autonomy.  The only concrete way we can know for sure of whether we have consent or not is if we ask and receive a clear yes or no.  This necessitates that they be conscious and understand what Reiki is before they answer.  To reduce this question to whether it will hurt-help them or not is not the point.


I personally will ask that if the person wants the Reiki that it go to them, and if they don´t, that it be sent to the Earth.  This way there is always an alternative destination if the person is not ready to receive this energy in the event that I can´t get a spoken answer.

I've been taught that the energy can't be used for anyone but the person the energy was sent for.

But please keep the responses coming.  I enjoy the feedback.

mike tyson wrote:

I've been taught that the energy can't be used for anyone but the person the energy was sent for.

But please keep the responses coming.  I enjoy the feedback.

Bastemhet wrote:

mike tyson wrote:

I've been taught that the energy can't be used for anyone but the person the energy was sent for.

But please keep the responses coming.  I enjoy the feedback.

Interesting, I've never heard of this before.  Where did you hear this?  Has anyone else heard of this?  My thinking is that there are always people who, having a rough time, will ask the universe for help, whether they specifically ask for it in the form of reiki or not.  However in my example I referred to sending it to the planet itself.

Carina_NZ wrote:about a year ago, i dreamed i was attuning him in my sleep and i sort of woke up just toward the end.  and i really questioned what exactly was going on... was i dreaming?  did i actually do it??  do i tell him????  was it right??   and i have a couple of friends who have journeyed with me on this reiki journey, so i talked about it with them as well.

LightBody wrote:

Carina_NZ wrote:about a year ago, i dreamed i was attuning him in my sleep and i sort of woke up just toward the end.  and i really questioned what exactly was going on... was i dreaming?  did i actually do it??  do i tell him????  was it right??   and i have a couple of friends who have journeyed with me on this reiki journey, so i talked about it with them as well.

My other half is stereotypical Western medicine. He rolls his eyes every time his mom and I start talking about spiritual stuff. When he and I first began living together, not only did he touch me like I was a cadaver, but his hands were as cold as one, too!

I noticed within our first year together that, although I was still training him to touch me like I was not a cadaver, his hands were growing increasingly hot like he had traditional reiki-hot hands some get after the attunements.

Carina_NZ wrote:ooh, i have a story to add to this.

my partner has received reiki a number of times.  he says he's not convinced that it works, but he does ask when he's in pain or feels a bit emotional (hmm... not convinced, right  )

about a year ago, i dreamed i was attuning him in my sleep and i sort of woke up just toward the end.  and i really questioned what exactly was going on... was i dreaming?  did i actually do it??  do i tell him????  was it right??   and i have a couple of friends who have journeyed with me on this reiki journey, so i talked about it with them as well.

in the end, i chose not to say anythign to him.  i figured that if that was supposed to happen, then it happened.  and maybe it didnt, maybe it really was just a dream.

these days, he will more likely put his hands on his own body where there is pain, as though to soothe it.  he reaches less for pain medication and he is more likely to just put his hand on a sore back or neck that i have.  

i dont know what really happened that night/morning, maybe i noticed the change becuase now i was looking for it?  

so while i understand the debate about forcing ones beleifs and trying to balance, heal, fix someone elses problems without their consent, i do think that there is more at work than just our tiny wee brains full of ego, and hearts full of love and compassion.  

at another time, i have tried to send love and reiki to someone else who I felt was causing me anguish.  (i treated myself as well) and i tell you - it just did not go.  it felt like it was deflected, and just flew off out to the sides.  

more commonly, i choose to send reiki to the situation.  like the boston marathon.  would you call each person involved and ask them if you have their permission to send healing?  no - you'd just send it and trust that the energy would do what it needed to do when it got there.