concerning 'ULE'...

So,
if ULE - Universal Life(force) Energy - is, as the name implies, Universal (i.e All-pervading; Existing or prevailing everywhere) why would anyone need to 'channel' it from somewhere to somewhere else?

Hi James,
Good point. ULE must be a part of me also, and i a part of the larger IT. Why the need for something to enter me that is already within me.

Another thing. If it's ULE we are using, how does that fit in with things we are meant to be 'protecting' ourself against? These 'negative energies' must also be ULE. The very thing we are 'channeling'? Hmm.

Take care
Wayne

That is why I think many who have been on the energy work path for quite some time now (and I think the speed at which this realization happens is accelerating exponentially) feel that it is more effective to just sit with the energy with the intent to realize one's own divinity.

Definitely with you on this Andy. Perhaps James was alluding to this (not trying to put words in his mouth, hehe), but when we constantly look to something outside of us, as many of us are taught in Reiki, i.e. 'channeling ULE, which enters the crown, etc', we are in fact ignoring, or, not knowing the existence, of that sacred aspect that is a part of (and within) all humans.

Perhaps when we see that the magic of the universe is not something outside of us, but an integral part of inside of us, it puts a slightly different 'slant' on things?

Take care
Wayne

yeah, that makes sense. I do find it fascinating though, the evolution of our belief system as it pertains to Reiki and how/why it works (or why it might not for certain clients). I mean just a few years ago, I would have told you I was channeling an energy separate from myself.

I think what is happening is that the separation consciousness is dissolving.

Thaak wrote:...I mean just a few years ago, I would have told you I was channeling an energy separate from myself.

With you on this again bro. I would've been the same, for sure.

Thaak wrote:
I think what is happening is that the separation consciousness is dissolving.

Yeah, it sure looks that way. A big part of it also, is us all being able to share views, and kinda 'bounce' ideas/concepts of each other. We all learn from each other, and if one person has that 'aha' moment, and feels like sharing it, on platforms such as forums even, the bigger the 'ripples' may get, hehe.

take care
Wayne

Milarepa wrote:
Yeah, it sure looks that way. A big part of it also, is us all being able to share views, and kinda 'bounce' ideas/concepts of each other. We all learn from each other, and if one person has that 'aha' moment, and feels like sharing it, on platforms such as forums even, the bigger the 'ripples' may get, hehe.

take care
Wayne

Yes, a evolutionary manifestation of the butterfly effect.

I never considered my self channeling ULE
I do refer to myself as a facilitator of
ULE

chi_solas wrote:I never considered my self channeling ULE
I do refer to myself as a facilitator of
ULE

Yes, that is a good way to put it. And whether you use the term ULE or sitting with your own divinity, it ultimately results in the same effect.

Thaak wrote:

chi_solas wrote:I never considered my self channeling ULE
I do refer to myself as a facilitator of
ULE

Yes, that is a good way to put it. And whether you use the term ULE or sitting with your own divinity, it ultimately results in the same effect.

Not disagreeing with you Andy, though, when my own perspective shifted from ULE, to an expereince specifically from & including the divine, my spirituality deepened. In hindsight, fwiw, imo, this is to be expected when one regards the expereince of Reiki in many ways as 'touching' a small part of God. :-) .

take care
Wayne

God seems to be a symbol/creator created by folks who wrote the bible.When I am practicing Reiki there is no God symbol involved just the Universe. God has been embedded in my thinking through organized religion.When the time came for me to find a Healing,I have just realized God was not called upon. I was drawn to a different force that worked and I gained a spirituality that I was unaware had always existed within me.

Hi Bridget,
I understand what you're saying, :-). 'God' though is only a three letter word that describes the force that created all things. Most definitely not 'owned' by Christianity. In Arabic, the word 'Allah' is used, in France the word 'Dieu'.

Likewise, all religions are instructional paths as to how to expereince this creative force. Just like different cultures prepare meals in different ways, they also have different ways of interacting with the divine.

I personally use the word God, as after all, it's only another descriptive word in the english language. And really, God, creative force, whatever, existed long, long before religion did, or even thes planet did.

Hehe, even atheists can't get around this either. Anyone interested even fleetingly in science, may know, that in quantum physics, in essence, God is called 'Zero point/point of creation'. Merely different names for the one thing. :-)

take care

Wayne

Milarepa wrote:Hi Bridget,
I understand what you're saying, :-). 'God' though is only a three letter word that describes the force that created all things. Most definitely not 'owned' by Christianity. In Arabic, the word 'Allah' is used, in France the word 'Dieu'.

Likewise, all religions are instructional paths as to how to expereince this creative force. Just like different cultures prepare meals in different ways, they also have different ways of interacting with the divine.

I personally use the word God, as after all, it's only another descriptive word in the english language. And really, God, creative force, whatever, existed long, long before religion did, or even thes planet did.

Hehe, even atheists can't get around this either. Anyone interested even fleetingly in science, may know, that in quantum physics, in essence, God is called 'Zero point/point of creation'. Merely different names for the one thing. :-)

take care

Wayne

How do we know that this GOD was here before religion/planets; its sorta "they said," Who has proof of that. My nine year old grandson asked me the same question about GOD that I asked myda many years ago. I was stunned that this child had the same thought at his young age that I also had when I was 9. "how did GOD come into being" I told him exactly what myda told me, " great scientist have been trying to find the answer to that question for centuries. Some have gone mad trying to find the answer" I can tell ya that I stopped trying to find the answer to that question. It appears to me that I may have to reach a higher plane level to unlock the mystery of who this GOD is and its just possible that within me the power of my self healing holds more answers than I realize.

Hi Bridget,

chi_solas wrote:
How do we know that this GOD was here before religion/planets; its sorta "they said," Who has proof of that.

'This God', any God, any religion, is only a different path to the same grocery store.

Before you even heard Reiki existed, or anything like it, just because you never experienced it at that point, did that mean Reiki never existed? Of course not. Likewise, someone who hasn't expereinced this creative force, or doesn't recoqnise it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist, :-) .

Your gonna know this already Bridget, within spirituality, 'proof' is sometimes hard to show to another. We are discussing something here, that is essentially, a personal expereince. Some will interpret it in different ways, as is their right, though this doesn't mean the creative force doesn't exist.

It is even hard to 'prove' that Reiki works. A person must experience it to fully appreciate it. See my point?

You use the term ULE. What is that? I can't see anything called ULE. So how can you prove it exists? (Rhetorical). ULE is term conjured up a few years ago. And because it is in common usage, does not mean it is a correct exact term to describe everything.

IMO, fwiw, ULE is an outward manifestation of what God has put in motion. Per physics, for something to be in motion, something must put it in motion. Evolution, which has quite obviously an intelligence, is another outward manifestation of God. In fact, the wind blowing in the trees, a flower opening it's petals, these are signs of God also. The creative force is everywhere, but it's too much newtonian, too much un-spiritual, imo, to call this fantastic force ULE. :-) .

Besides, like i already said, quantum physics agrees on the creative force, they just call it by another name.

chi_solas wrote:
My nine year old grandson asked me the same question about GOD that I asked myda many years ago. I was stunned that this child had the same thought at his young age that I also had when I was 9. "how did GOD come into being" I told him exactly what myda told me, " great scientist have been trying to find the answer to that question for centuries. Some have gone mad trying to find the answer"

Yeah, this is a big question. We use our own experience of creation to try to understand that which created all things. Our minds just arn't at the same level of understanding, hehe.

chi_solas wrote:
...and its just possible that within me the power of my self healing holds more answers than I realize.

Most definitely, all we need is within us. :-) .

take care
Wayne

Living on this planet earth your first life experience is
the breath of life called a miracle by some.Living here in
New England one of the few places in the world to have a
complete 4 seasons. You can witness ULE; Spring represent
birth, Summer full growth, Autumn brings a vision of what
happens when the planet earth moves futher away from the sun
and vegetation dies off. Winter is a hibernation time until
the earth's sun returns high in the sky to rejuvenate life.

Milarepa as you mentioned ULE has always been around. Usui
created the Reiki system with rituals to bring awareness to
this energy that we do not use to its highest level within
our own innate healing system.

It seems to me that in the begining if there ever was one?
people worshiped the sun and knew the rains were needed to
enhance this life's energy so people began to create their
own interpretation of ULE through Gods,sacrifices, & other
rituals.I believe the days of the week and months of the year
represent some of these Gods. There are different Gods that
many people worship and believe in. Christianity claims only
one God. Pagan's believe in many Gods. Here in the US we have
a very diverse population from around the world that I would
venture to say that many do not believe in a God, others believe
in many Gods, some believe in one God only. some don't have an
opinion. There you go that's a good poll topic

I see you're points, for sure. I'm not gonna attempt to defend any religion in our chat, hehe. Though, Any God, all God's, are only aspects of the one whole. The creative force that gave birth to all.

Ultimately, it's not important whether a person beleives in one God, or many God's. It is, after all, just different recipes to taste food.

Whenever a religion professes that their way, is the only way, this is where it all starts to be silly, and ego kicks in. This invariably can lead to the religion alientating people, and even automatically taking an opposing stance to it. When really, the problem stemmed from humanities ego & greed. And has nothing to do with the creative force.

take care
Wayne

Milarepa wrote:I see you're points, for sure. I'm not gonna attempt to defend any religion in our chat, hehe. Though, Any God, all God's, are only aspects of the one whole. The creative force that gave birth to all.

Ultimately, it's not important whether a person beleives in one God, or many God's. It is, after all, just different recipes to taste food.

Whenever a religion professes that their way, is the only way, this is where it all starts to be silly, and ego kicks in. This invariably can lead to the religion alientating people, and even automatically taking an opposing stance to it. When really, the problem stemmed from humanities ego & greed. And has nothing to do with the creative force.

take care
Wayne

If ULFE is in question among Energy healers
that Reiki is/not God driven it does need to be
acknowledged. Churches reject Reiki while many
hospitals are beginning to embrace it. I know
many religious folks who reject Reiki and I also
know many folks who are torn between their churches
philosophy being against Reiki and their own personal
experience as RMT's. Out there in the Reiki world there
are promotional issues that does not support all Reiki
Practitioners.

chi_solas wrote:God seems to be a symbol/creator created by folks who wrote the bible.When I am practicing Reiki there is no God symbol involved just the Universe. God has been embedded in my thinking through organized religion.When the time came for me to find a Healing,I have just realized God was not called upon. I was drawn to a different force that worked and I gained a spirituality that I was unaware had always existed within me.

Good point Bridget. But when I use the term Divine, I am not refering necessarily to a dogmatic God, but rather the divine spark of life that is within us, around us, and suffusing all that exists. To me, divinity and ULE is synonymous.

chi_solas wrote:
How do we know that this GOD was here before religion/planets; its sorta "they said," Who has proof of that. My nine year old grandson asked me the same question about GOD that I asked myda many years ago. I was stunned that this child had the same thought at his young age that I also had when I was 9. "how did GOD come into being" I told him exactly what myda told me, " great scientist have been trying to find the answer to that question for centuries. Some have gone mad trying to find the answer" I can tell ya that I stopped trying to find the answer to that question. It appears to me that I may have to reach a higher plane level to unlock the mystery of who this GOD is and its just possible that within me the power of my self healing holds more answers than I realize.

Would you agree that ULE has always been in existence? If you do, then its only by faith that you can say so, because it cannot be scientifically proven... yet.

ergo...

chi_solas wrote:
If ULFE is in question among Energy healers
that Reiki is/not God driven it does need to be
acknowledged. Churches reject Reiki while many
hospitals are beginning to embrace it. I know
many religious folks who reject Reiki and I also
know many folks who are torn between their churches
philosophy being against Reiki and their own personal
experience as RMT's. Out there in the Reiki world there
are promotional issues that does not support all Reiki
Practitioners.

I think the disconnect in communication between us here, is that you immediately tie the word "God" to "Church."

I don't. I don't believe the Church has anything to actually do with God at all. But rather has everything to do with exploiting the word God to gain their own power. But that is my own prejudice and another topic all together.

Thaak wrote:

chi_solas wrote:God seems to be a symbol/creator created by folks who wrote the bible.When I am practicing Reiki there is no God symbol involved just the Universe. God has been embedded in my thinking through organized religion.When the time came for me to find a Healing,I have just realized God was not called upon. I was drawn to a different force that worked and I gained a spirituality that I was unaware had always existed within me.

Good point Bridget. But when I use the term Divine, I am not refering necessarily to a dogmatic God, but rather the divine spark of life that is within us, around us, and suffusing all that exists. To me, divinity and ULE is synonymous.

It then comes down to articulation.

Thaak wrote:

chi_solas wrote:
How do we know that this GOD was here before religion/planets; its sorta "they said," Who has proof of that. My nine year old grandson asked me the same question about GOD that I asked myda many years ago. I was stunned that this child had the same thought at his young age that I also had when I was 9. "how did GOD come into being" I told him exactly what myda told me, " great scientist have been trying to find the answer to that question for centuries. Some have gone mad trying to find the answer" I can tell ya that I stopped trying to find the answer to that question. It appears to me that I may have to reach a higher plane level to unlock the mystery of who this GOD is and its just possible that within me the power of my self healing holds more answers than I realize.

Would you agree that ULE has always been in existence? If you do, then its only by faith that you can say so, because it cannot be scientifically proven... yet.

ergo...

Good point

Thaak wrote:

chi_solas wrote:
If ULFE is in question among Energy healers
that Reiki is/not God driven it does need to be
acknowledged. Churches reject Reiki while many
hospitals are beginning to embrace it. I know
many religious folks who reject Reiki and I also
know many folks who are torn between their churches
philosophy being against Reiki and their own personal
experience as RMT's. Out there in the Reiki world there
are promotional issues that does not support all Reiki
Practitioners.

I think the disconnect in communication between us here, is that you immediately tie the word "God" to "Church."

I don't. I don't believe the Church has anything to actually do with God at all. But rather has everything to do with exploiting the word God to gain their own power. But that is my own prejudice and another topic all together.

I had not made the exploiting connection between Church/God.
I have thought more along the lines of the Church brain washing
as in, "the fear of God"

chi_solas wrote:
I had not made the exploiting connection between Church/God.
I have thought more along the lines of the Church brain washing
as in, "the fear of God"

what does that "brainwashing" get the church? By having droves of brainwashed folks following their will and whim (this was much more prevalent during the Dark Ages when the common person didn't know how to read... indeed it was illegal for a time for someone to even own a copy of the Bible) the church gains power.

Reading the printed word can be powerful.

Missionaries "Cross & Passion" order that I
grew up under were very persuavive preaching
the word of God. We were pigeonholed
into communities being them/us. ULE was always
there but spoken in the name of a God to fear,
where only chosen ones were healed through miracles.