Precepts, Symbols, do they have something in common?

Milarepa wrote: I guess a question is why we've to say them out loud & in our heart.

Milarepa wrote: Can a non-Reiki initiated person, do anything with the symbols?

Milarepa wrote:hiya,
You know they'd work, or you're assuming? . Cause you spritual healing students doing things with various symbols, isn't anyone doing what we can do with Reiki symbols, .

Milarepa wrote:
For them to work with a non-Reiki initiated person, the person may have to have no initiation in any system from a Reiki teacher, then, imo, it's more clear there's no impact from the Reiki empowerments. This is cause even a teacher will assume that the Reik symbols aren't active unless the consciously decide. Which isn't the case, imo.

If you're talking about 'spiritual healing' students expereinces, that might have no bearing on Reiki though, depending on what you mean. If a process is different, from inception/initiation, to application, then comparing one healing system to another won't answer what goes on in Reiki.

Milarepa wrote:
If a person, new to healing, or with no healing training by a Reiki initiated person, could use the symbols as we can, that'd be really interesting. .

Milarepa wrote:There might be some similarities with us all in general. Prob though, as it's your body expereicing Reiki, in some ways you'd expereince a variation of what others do. If we look at every act in Reiki as a spiritual act, it's fair to assume that no two folks will experience something spiritually, the exact same. .

what kinda mediatition you doing when using the precepts?

Dharma wrote:

Milarepa wrote: Can a non-Reiki initiated person, do anything with the symbols?

I think so...I teach my spiritual healing students to work with focus and intent via many things but for example...sacred geometry, but really just any old geometric shape would work, for if that is our intent then so shall it will be done...for example whilst working with the breath the tongue placed in the roof of our mouth they will visualize a sacred geometric shape that they are drawn too have worked with, have a healing connection with. the orbited energy passes through the geometric shape as it would a healing symbol, then sent on its wonderful journey...the energy is as wonderful..if at times not even better for the have chose it for themselves....the focus of the symbols it just that intent and focus they are a womderful gift to the modality, and they do allow for a strong structure for many to follow, but for me yes they would work for those that not directly working with Reiki.

I have just clicked I have missed the original point are the precepts and symbols connected...my thoughts not at first when penned but now yes those have worked and followed have created a divine connection.

Blessings xxx

Reikijim wrote:

Milarepa wrote:

what kinda mediatition you doing when using the precepts?

Hi Wayne,


I just sit in seza, with my hands where they should be, recite one line and ponder it`s meaning, setting the intention of understanding on as many levels as possible...
...Then I move on to the next line. Sometimes I may just ponder/absorb one line for 20 minutes or so...with out reciting them all.

RJ

Reikijim wrote:

Dharma wrote:

Milarepa wrote: Can a non-Reiki initiated person, do anything with the symbols?

I think so...

Those uninitiated may try to access healing through the symbols because they know what they represent. The identity of the symbols may help them focus their intent on what they are trying to achieve. So...they have set the intent to access healing, but I would hazard to say, quite probably, they are accessing "an energy" without the symbols ability to connect them. They are using a "different means of connection" a more naturally inherent ability that some of us have. So it could look like they were connecting through the symbols, but actually they are not.

Reikijim wrote:

Dharma wrote:

Milarepa wrote: Can a non-Reiki initiated person, do anything with the symbols?

I think so...

I`m hesitant to agree with you...

Those uninitiated may try to access healing through the symbols because they know what they represent. The identity of the symbols may help them focus their intent on what they are trying to achieve. So...they have set the intent to access healing, but I would hazard to say, quite probably, they are accessing "an energy" without the symbols ability to connect them. They are using a "different means of connection" a more naturally inherent ability that some of us have. So it could look like they were connecting through the symbols, but actually they are not.


RJ

Milarepa wrote:

We, Reiki practitioners, have mostly a very limited understanding of both the system, it's workings, and it's applications. Moreover, some practitioner do turn their noses down at others that wanna to understand it all, which doesn't help things, hehe. A very important question in all this, would be who empowered the symbols? Why were they empowered? What were they empowered with? And of course, this could be asked about the precepts also, .

Last two paragraphs are general comments to all, .

Take care
Wayne

Milarepa wrote:Hi Chris,
I was trying to remember if there's anything you've ever said that would make me think this, and i can't remember anything. Internets a big place, and i been on forums for 5 years, it wasn't specifically bout this forum only either.

No need at all to explain your personal take on spirituality, i'm all for freedom of that. There's a subtle vein of thought that looking in depth isn't needed in Reiki at all. No-one in this thread had been like that, it was general comments i was making, as i said, . As you've rightly pointed out, what one person expereinces personally, is good for them. It works for them. When this is said as if it's applicable to all, that's different, imo. If peers give the impression it's not needed at all, sheep will follow, and do what everyone else is. I like distinguishing personal sprituality, as a perosn makes their own mind up.

BTW, how'd your Master-student class go? Was this your first Master student? Even so, quite a epecial day i'd expect!

Take care
Wayne

Pandora wrote:

Oh good! Guess I was being a bit sensitive as my POV is a bit unique!

Pandora wrote:
My new teaching master student is a very special person and we had a wonder-ful time! It's the first teacher I've brought into being, I've attuned a few to master practitioner level in the past but this is the first one that actually wanted to teach.

Her practice attunement on me was amazing for both of us. I've offered her regular supervision as part of her practice (she's a therapist too) and it will benefit both of us.

It's probably why I couldn't sleep last night!

Milarepa wrote:

Pandora wrote:

Oh good! Guess I was being a bit sensitive as my POV is a bit unique!

yeah, hehe, i know what it's like to have a unique POV also! .

Pandora wrote:
My new teaching master student is a very special person and we had a wonder-ful time! It's the first teacher I've brought into being, I've attuned a few to master practitioner level in the past but this is the first one that actually wanted to teach.

Her practice attunement on me was amazing for both of us. I've offered her regular supervision as part of her practice (she's a therapist too) and it will benefit both of us.

It's probably why I couldn't sleep last night!

i'm not suprised you couldn't sleep! Very exciting time! And prob quite magical also? Dunno the spiritual inclinations of your student of course, but even if someone isn't Christian (like myself), it does seem a special time of year around now. The decided date for the training was made delibertely?

Hehe, i can just imagine your student sitting down in their home, all cozy over chriwtmas, with that blissful smile common to newly graduated students. Excellant stuff!

take care
Wayne