how do 'switch' within multiple lineages

something not sitting with me right.

My training and present understanding suggests that attunement process is like a food recipie. You add the supposed/instructed ingredients in prescribed manner, you get what you'd intended. You change the order/ ingredients you cook something delicious but not that u intended and would write on the certificate.


People who are master level in different styles concurrently, and have multiple lineages, have sometimes a propensity to add something from this bottle and something from other.. If they do this, they might be 'creating' their own style as far as the attunement of the student is concerned. That may be fine, but when they hand over the lineage chart to the student, what is the criteria of picking up one of their lineage and dropping all others


This question may be felt not called for, but i want to clear my mind on it

Help please


Take care
Salman

Lambs-Wool wrote:something not sitting with me right.

My training and present understanding suggests that attunement process is like a food recipie. You add the supposed/instructed ingredients in prescribed manner, you get what you'd intended. You change the order/ ingredients you cook something delicious but not that u intended and would write on the certificate.


People who are master level in different styles concurrently, and have multiple lineages, have sometimes a propensity to add something from this bottle and something from other.. If they do this, they might be 'creating' their own style as far as the attunement of the student is concerned. That may be fine, but when they hand over the lineage chart to the student, what is the criteria of picking up one of their lineage and dropping all others


This question may be felt not called for, but i want to clear my mind on it

Help please


Take care
Salman

This is why i feel it is important to select a good teacher as soon as possible, and try to stick with one style and become proficent with it. Having ten different reiki forms in the luggage doesn't do much of anything save add confusion on the technical and energetic levels.

has it's plus'
I was fortunate to receive Reiki
from a one lineage teacher. I
stick with the simple Reiki that
I was taught. I have not felt the
need to expand to another style
as the Reiki style I use works.

yes i find myself totally agreed with Moore and Bridget, yet still the question holds valid in cases of reiki masters who have multiple lineages.

I've never felt the need or desire to go outside Usui Shiki Ryoho, but academically speaking, i was wondering about the situations discussed

Take care

Salman

In the world of teaching having
multiple styles and mixing is
usually not done. Take writing
styles or printing you select
one style and use that. Its not
to say that other styles are
wrong. If I mixup the many styles
of printing in this post, you can
still read & understand. Its just
a different style of communicating.

Reiki starts with the basic's of ULFE
adding rituals, techniques or changing
symbols, can not change the ULFE; imo
the end result is working with innate
healing

Lambs-Wool wrote:yes i find myself totally agreed with Moore and Bridget, yet still the question holds valid in cases of reiki masters who have multiple lineages.

hi buddy, good topic!

yeah, if we've got multiple lineages, we've recieved mutliple attunements. possibly multiple symbols. imo, the symbols do work on a sub-conscious levels, ya know my many reasons why i feel this. so, to an extent, the multiple variations will be passed down, no matter what the style being told. James goes into more detail on his site, others can please use his google search there.

imo, if a person makes some significant changes to a system, they should, as a matter of principle, declare a new system. it's not common, cause, lets face it, something Wayne Harrison creates just isn't gonna be as easily marketed as something Mikao Usui did. the marketing from Usui sensei, and even Usui Shiki Ryoho is already worldwide, so we'll always have the hard stuff done for us.

Salman wrote:
I've never felt the need or desire to go outside Usui Shiki Ryoho, but academically speaking, i was wondering about the situations discussed

ya mean there's someone else who doesn't feel the need anymore to chase the latest 'Eastern' system, and realises Usui Shiki Ryoho is an Eastern, Japanese system! thank god! hehe

warmest wishes
Wayne

something Wayne Harrison creates just isn't gonna be as easily marketed as something Mikao Usui did

Excellent point Wayne
I over looked that.In a
subtle way it is being
dis-honest to represent
Usui's Reiki with added
gimicks.

Milarepa wrote:

......to an extent, the multiple variations will be passed down, no matter what the style being told.

When we pass down such multiple variations, don't we 'contaninating' the style we'd mention finally on the certificate?

[quote=''Wayne'']
if a person makes some significant changes to a system, they should, as a matter of principle, declare a new system.
[/quote]

While some have taken care of this bold principle, many like me will keep on adding personal preferences to the system we pass on to our students


Take care

Salman

Ps : no answer to my question that which lineage to 'officialise' in case of a 'mix' of styles:?:

Ps : no answer to my question that which lineage to 'officialise' in case of a 'mix' of styles:?:

are you asking if I had 3 or 4
different lineages and have mixed
some of this person and that persons
stuff what lineage do I pass down to
my student.?

It would seem that for some of us we
trust that the Usui Method has been
passed down. If not how can one be
sure which method is not Usui's.

Hi,

Lambs-Wool wrote:
Ps : no answer to my question that which lineage to 'officialise' in case of a 'mix' of styles:?:

I have been attuned to Usui and Komyo. If you believe that my Komyo attunements may affect the passing of an Usui attunement with Usui symbols, then i suppose I can never be more than a hybred. I guess I would have to advertise my attunement and system as a hybrid...Usui/Komyo...according to some.
You`ll never see me do that although, and i cannot say that anyone else is doing it even though I know many people attuned to both Usui and Komyo.
Possibly intention can step in and allow us to pass system specific attunments, or not, I do not know. Some will claim to know, but really, what tangible information would they go to, when trying to form an opinion?

I think one has to include their entire lineage be it two styles or twenty.But really, it comes down to what you believe regarding the attunement scenario I mentioned above.

Honestly, a good person to ask might be William Rand considering the diversity of his training and lineage.

Jim

chi_solas wrote:
are you asking if I had 3 or 4
different lineages and have mixed
some of this person and that persons
stuff what lineage do I pass down to
my student.?

Yes Bridget, this is my central concern. I have seen that teachers who have multiple lineages sometimes allow their student to use any of their lineage to mention for his name.

I am curious to find whether it does not really matter if the student opts lineage A or lineage B as per his own choice?

It would seem that for some of us we
trust that the Usui Method has been
passed down. If not how can one be
sure which method is not Usui's.

Perhaps the source for all reiki systems within usui reiki is Usui Sensei, yet many would believe that 'frequencies' within each such system, are somewhat 'specific', not butting into detail that something is better over the other

However, this is from my personal perspective shared for discussions and corrections




Take care

Reikijim wrote: Hi,
I have been attuned to Usui and Komyo. If you believe that my Komyo attunements may affect the passing of an Usui attunement with Usui symbols, then i suppose I can never be more than a hybred. I guess I would have to advertise my attunement and system as a hybrid...Usui/Komyo...according to some.

not sure in reiki, but within Muslim mystic lineages when a person holds empowerment/admission to system from two distinct mystic families, he mentions the names of both

Jim wrote:
Possibly intention can step in and allow us to pass system specific attunments, or not, I do not know. Some will claim to know, but really, what tangible information would they go to, when trying to form an opinion?

of course there is no tangible information on the other aspect either since much is shrouded within mist, mystery and speculation as and when start talks about attunements.

what i personally feel : intention is an ingredient, not the core of attunement process..

if i attune somebody performing all the steps/set given to me, and if i attune the same buddy through 'direct intention method' or 'crown to crown attunements', the outcomes will be different on many subtle levels, although it is again me who is passing down an ability to the student in both cases.

what needs more discussion around your comment is : "can a master hold back some aspects of his personal spiritual stuff to pass down while he is attuning somebody?"

an attunement is a glow process. we start the process but the process completes itself, and sometimes we are not 'in control' of what we wish to pass down, and what we want not to...

albeit, most certainly though, that we can 'limit' our attunement to the style we are attuning the student into, but we possibly cannot limit our personal/spiritual flavour in passing down to student as a by-product lets see what you feel Jim ?

I think one has to include their entire lineage be it two styles or twenty.But really, it comes down to what you believe regarding the attunement scenario I mentioned above.

if we give our multiple lineage charts to student and leave upto him to opt whichever he likes, is it technically okay ? i'm just curious where i m making mistake in understanding the whole stuff

take care

Salman

Lambs-Wool wrote:

Milarepa wrote:

......to an extent, the multiple variations will be passed down, no matter what the style being told.

When we pass down such multiple variations, don't we 'contaninating' the style we'd mention finally on the certificate?

sure, that's what i implied above,

Salman wrote:

Ps : no answer to my question that which lineage to 'officialise' in case of a 'mix' of styles:?:

imo, it's the responsibility of the teacher to ensure what they teach is as close to the label they say it is. e.g. if it's Usui Shiki Ryoho, as close to what Takata sensei taught, or don't teach. that's where i am anyhow, hehe.

warmest wishes
Wayne

Very Interesting!

Jim wrote:
Possibly intention can step in and allow us to pass system specific attunments, or not, I do not know. Some will claim to know, but really, what tangible information would they go to, when trying to form an opinion?

of course there is no tangible information on the other aspect either since much is shrouded within mist, mystery and speculation as and when start talks about attunements.

Certainly in the lack of tangible evidence everything is in the “domain” of speculation . And yet, I do feel pretty confident to “speculate” that RMT should be able to do specific attunement regard less how many different system he is certified into. Here is why I think so:

1.IMO Intent is very important maybe much more than we care to talk about. I intend to use CKR and I use CKR. If intent isn't important than while I intend to use CKR I could experience SHK instead and things would happen randomly to us which is not the case. Even some attunements are solely based on the intent. Finally if the person doesn't want to receive reiki than he/she will not receive it.

2.Again while there is no tangible evidence it is fair to say that some sort of calibration or fine tuning does take place during the attunement process. Some use radio station analogy which I am pretty sure we all are familiar with. So, for the student to experience reiki all he needs to do is to “fine tune” to Reiki Chanel and there it is-beautiful reiki music plays. Now if RMT intends to perform Usui Shiki Ryoho attunement (and some even ask Dr. Usi for guideline during the attunement or even the reiki treatment) and our students intends to receive Usui Shiki Ryoho attunement and assuming that RMT follows reiki attunement protocol than it would make whole a lot of sense that Usui Shiki Ryoho Attunement come out of Usui Shiki Ryoho (Radi) Channel.

3.In addition if it is said that Reiki Practicioner facilitates reiki healing it might be also appropriate to say that RMT facilitates the reiki attunement?

Of course this is just my opinion!


Regards,

Resko

rzukic wrote:
Of course this is just my opinion!

personally speaking Resko, i acknowledge you as a brilliant mind scientist bro, and i think several times before airing some disagreement with you

Resko wrote:
If intent isn't important than while I intend to use CKR I could experience SHK instead and things would happen randomly to us which is not the case.

of course 'intent' is so much important. it is that much important that in almost every reiki exercise/technique/attunement, we are required not only to have an un-tainted intent in mind, but also to recite our intent as a ritual. [reciting the intent has also the role of satisfying the conditon of 'putting thought, word and deed together' ]

but there is certainly something to consider when we tentamount intent to be the process itself. within reiki, the role of intent is always circumferenced by protocols of the system itself, and no matter how strongly we intend, we cannot accomplish something that is not built in the system. for example, if i intent to use my ability as reiki master to intiate somebody in karuna reiki, when i m myself holding powers for usui shiki ryoho, then of course, there are impediments inherent on my intent in this setup.

Resko wrote:
Now if RMT intends to perform Usui Shiki Ryoho attunement (and some even ask Dr. Usi for guideline during the attunement or even the reiki treatment) and our students intends to receive Usui Shiki Ryoho attunement and assuming that RMT follows reiki attunement protocol than it would make whole a lot of sense that Usui Shiki Ryoho Attunement come out of Usui Shiki Ryoho (Radio) Channel.

thats true, subject to the italicised/embodelned portions i just did... i have to say that if i don't follow the attunement set precisely and do something of my own import during an attunement, i m actually delivering a 'modified' version within the Usui Shiki Ryoho, although i will be writing Usui Shiki Ryoho on the certificate... and the process actually becomes complex if the theing that i do on my own volition, has infact been borrowed from jikiden reiki ro reiki jin kei do, or violet flame or else within which i also happen to be attuned to masters level, for example.

can i write on my certificate 'mr. x has been awarded Frist Degree in Usui Shiki Ryoho as modified through Tera Mai ? this is where i m confused buddy!

Resko wrote:
In addition if it is said that Reiki Practicioner facilitates reiki healing it might be also appropriate to say that RMT facilitates the reiki attunement?

that is certainly true ! RMT can be the 'reason' of doing many things within an attunement since he had some intention in some sub-concsious plane of his mind




take care buddy

salman

Lambswool wrote:
i have to say that if i don't follow the attunement set precisely and do something of my own import during an attunement, i m actually delivering a 'modified' version within the Usui Shiki Ryoho, although i will be writing Usui Shiki Ryoho on the certificate... and the process actually becomes complex if the theing that i do on my own volition, has infact been borrowed from jikiden reiki ro reiki jin kei do, or violet flame or else within which i also happen to be attuned to masters level, for example.

can i write on my certificate 'mr. x has been awarded Frist Degree in Usui Shiki Ryoho as modified through Tera Mai ? this is where i m confused buddy!

IMHO, Reiki is Reiki, it is above and maybe beyond what we can intellectualise.
As those of us who are initiated into various styles of Reiki practice can attest, all the various attunement methods appear to have a similar outcome: the student becomes aware of the Reiki within and around them (or at least is able to "stimulate" the Reiki effect in themselves or another).

The core teachings of all the major Reiki styles should have much in common, if they are worthy of the name Reiki in their title. They should have Mikao Usui at the top of their lineage and the teachings should contain Gokai, palm healing, techniques (including breathing, meditations and different ways of initiating the Reiki effect, including psychological and absent methods and maybe patting, stroking etc.), Reiki symbols (as Usui, Hayashi and Takata taught) and an attunement method.

However, as we know, the way these various elements are taught can, and do, vary between the various styles. Is any one style more effective in generating the Reiki effect in oneself or another? Personally, I have not seen any evidence of this. As I said before, Reiki is Reiki and what happens when it is stimulated/generated/emanated is not under the control of the Reiki practitioner. Reiki doesn't care if you are a Komyo Reiki Teacher, Gendai Shihan, Usui Shiki Ryoho Master or a Shoden level Jikiden Reiki Practitioner.The "ability" or "effectiveness" of a Reiki practitioner is usually governed more by the experience, dedication and actual practice or Reiki then by what the name of the style is on the certificate or even which level the certificate says the practitioner has reached.

A Reiki certificate is just a piece of paper to say that a person has been initiated as a Reiki practitioner and implies that they have been taught various things appropriate to the seminar they have attended. It is not a Certificate of Proficiency in respect of their ability to stimulate/generate/emanate Reiki.So, if you have a Tera Mai Reiki certificate or a Komyo Reiki certificate, a member of the public will know that you have been initiated as a Reiki Practitioner they can get a Reiki treatment from and a potential student (who has done even a little research on the various styles) will know in which style they are likely to to be taught.

As long what has been taught is in line with the particular style you are teaching, is taught from the heart (and from personal experience) and the attunement procedure is performed according to one of the methods you have received yourself, then the name of the style on the certificate should reflect the style of Reiki you have been teaching. The lineage given to the student should also just reflect that style.

If you have received attunements in various styles but try to teach in a way that is as close to what you currently believe is the way Reiki was originally taught, then chances are you are going to use an attunement method (or Reiju) that you also believe is as close as possible to the original method and you should therefore use the name of the system on the certificate. There may be a need for more than one lineage to be given here, if what you have been teaching has derived from more than one style of Reiki - but it should still start with Mikao Usui and finish with you (or your student), and show the various paths you have taken to arrive at where you are now.

If you are trying to emulate what Usui and Hayashi taught then it is usually more common to use the words 'Usui Reiki Ryoho' or 'Shin Shin Kaizen Usui Reiki Ryoho'. If you are trying to emulate what Mrs Takata taught her students then it is more usual to use the phrase 'Usui Shiki Ryoho' (although Takata did also refer to what she was taught as 'Usui Reiki Ryoho').

If you want to pass on Reiki in the style of Komyo, Gendai, Jikiden, Tera Mai, Karuna etc. then these styles have vary specific ways of teaching about the various elements of the system of Reiki (and initiation/attunement methods) and, if you are teaching in a particualar style that is the name that should go on the certificate (and the lineage should also be the lineage in which you learned that particular style).

If you knowingly add things to what you have been taught (or know they were not taught in the style you are teaching) or they are not part of the five main elements of the Reiki system, and do not differentiate these things to your students, then that is when you should have a different name for the style of Reiki you are teaching on your certificates - because you have created a new style.

Just my (current) opinion of course!

excellant post, with lots of wisdom!

Salman wrote:
Colin, i don't want to deflavour myself of the taste of your brilliant post by dropping a hurried response.

Say me goodnight

Take care

an endaveour to say something now Colin

Colin wrote:
As I said before, Reiki is Reiki and what happens when it is stimulated/generated/emanated is not under the control of the Reiki practitioner. Reiki doesn't care if you are a Komyo Reiki Teacher, Gendai Shihan, Usui Shiki Ryoho Master or a Shoden level Jikiden Reiki Practitioner.The "ability" or "effectiveness" of a Reiki practitioner is usually governed more by the experience, dedication and actual practice or Reiki then by what the name of the style is on the certificate or even which level the certificate says the practitioner has reached.

yes reiki has its own 'way' of doing things.... and as i said in my post, i feel an attunement session expands on what the practitioner had started and the steps he had taken to complete it, but by all means, it is not completed through those actions, rather is completed by reiki process itself.

there is so much power in your words Colin that i have trouble recalling if ever i had a question in the thread ? and i am asking myself if i am over-complicating the otherwise simple things ?

i observed technical warnings on the websites of high ranking reiki teachers that an attunement has to be performed 'exactly' in the mode prescribed by the teacher who gave you the master level. this is a way to ensure that we hand down 'exactly' what we were given by our teacher.

but given the human nature of inquisitiveness, curosity, and innovative tricks that our mind often pleays with us , we are often very easily led to 'include' somethings which we feel would 'enhance' the overall experience... i myself have found strong inclination to include things like recitation of holy quran before attunement, lighting of incense/candles, an aura sweep before starting the attunement, the drawing of CKR / SHK more than the once when it was 'prescribed' to do them once only, to attune the feet, etc. etc.

such 'variations' which a master feels are good to 'enhance' the attunement procedure, may be turn out to be the ones which glaringly change the experience itself without the knowledge/intention of the master doing such variations....

so despite strong inclination to 'include' such steps, i have always tried to 'excuse away' my logical/rational mind for some moments, and have tried to stick to what i was told to do

Colin wrote:
A Reiki certificate is just a piece of paper to say that a person has been initiated as a Reiki practitioner and implies that they have been taught various things appropriate to the seminar they have attended. It is not a Certificate of Proficiency in respect of their ability to stimulate/generate/emanate Reiki

while a certificate is definitely not a certificate of proficiency, it isa certificate of his 'ability' to do something

for a client who comes for a healing session, of course when he finds the words 'reiki' on the certificate, he is drawn to the results and outcomes whether it be any style whatever.

[presently] i have belief that as reiki is a 'specified' energy spectrum within the overall energies we define as ULFE, the same way, every style has a 'specific' spectrum of energy capable of doing things in 'slightly' individualised way. individualised dont necessary imply 'better' or 'more effective' rather it implies that the composition of experience is unique to the style.

now, every style accomplishes the purpose (healing, improvement of mind/body, spiritual englightment, etc.) since if it does not it is not reiki... if Usui Shiki Ryoho accomplishes the purpose through ingredients A and B, for example, the Gendai Reiki ho will accomplish it through ingreidents C and D.... saying that combination of A and B is less effective than combination C and D, is like saying that water in lower half of a full glass is 'better' than the water in upper half of the same glass (i dont' mean that you said so Colin, i m expanding on the thought process/discussion buddy)

i loved the words 'intellectualise' but given so much debate on things and such refined nitty gritty, we are not left with option other than apply our logical mind in full gear vis-a-vis applying our spirit for the true understanding




take care

salman

Colin, I've never heard of the
term "5 elements" of Reiki.If I
were asked what they are. I'd
say precepts, hand positions,
symbols, techniques/rituals,
attunments. It would seem to me
that some of us might have learned
different styles of Reiki and that
we may also have been taught to use
terms that differentiate the styles
we use.

Hi Salman,

As always right on spot buddy (except for seeing me as a brilliant mind scientist )

but there is certainly something to consider when we tentamount intent to be the process itself. within reiki, the role of intent is always circumferenced by protocols of the system itself, and no matter how strongly we intend, we cannot accomplish something that is not built in the system. for example, if i intent to use my ability as reiki master to intiate somebody in karuna reiki, when i m myself holding powers for usui shiki ryoho, then of course, there are impediments inherent on my intent in this setup.

Of course- Can not give what we do not have

i have to say that if i don't follow the attunement set precisely and do something of my own import during an attunement, i m actually delivering a 'modified' version within the Usui Shiki Ryoho, although i will be writing Usui Shiki Ryoho on the certificate... and the process actually becomes complex if the theing that i do on my own volition, has infact been borrowed from jikiden reiki ro reiki jin kei do, or violet flame or else within which i also happen to be attuned to masters level, for example.

Salman,

I am not sure if I have overlooked it ( and if I did my apologies buddy) or there was no mentioning of which intent statement would you have used at the beginning and also why wouldn't attunement protocol be followed-by mistake or by design? IMO if in your intent statement you say that you will perform X Reiki Style attunement and than skip some step/ or order of steps it still would be the X Reiki Style you identified in your intent statement. If however you change intent statement and the protocol than the world will see the birth of new Reiki Style .

I hope I didn't “overdo” using term “Intent” but IMO it sets direction for what we about to do (and probably may have activate symbol(s) and if you have intent + symbols than ...unless I am missing something we should be on the right way.

Now to make it little more complicated let's make new scenario where we identify the intent for one Reiki Style but draw different symbol (by mistake) than I still believe the intent would trump the symbol (maybe the right symbol would be activated automatically before you draw new symbol).

Now it may appear to be more complicated if we did above scenario but by design (using intent for one reiki style knowing that we would follow with the symbols for different reiki style). :-)) I said “may appear” because I do not believe we can have it both ways! We can not make a statement if we already know that we will not carry it out. It's rather very hard to lie to ourselves and yet expect us to believe it :-))

Regards,

Resko

In response to Colin's post, I find it interesting in an ironic sort of way that each of the historical and modern teachers mentioned seemed to practice Reiki in their own way, while many modern students try to do things exactly the way of their teachers.

Buck wrote:In response to Colin's post, I find it interesting in an ironic sort of way that each of the historical and modern teachers mentioned seemed to practice Reiki in their own way, while many modern students try to do things exactly the way of their teachers.

That's very true Buck I can witness this fact myself, as I do exactly what Colin thought me and do not add or skip anything to the style of Usui Reiki Ryoho as thought by my teacher...maybe my opinion is not much relevant as I am only level 1 but again I think I am going to follow Collin's teachings in my second and third level. This is my current opinion and in case something changes with the time I will for sure share it here.
IMO everyone intending to become a reiki practitioner have to read,learn ,research the styles mentioned (existing) and then to find the appropriate teacher whom he/she can trust and be convinced that this teacher is going to teach exactly the style aimed to learn.At least that is my case and I am saying that from my own experience.
Thank you for the nice post Colin, you continue teaching me directly and indirectly with your knowledge and wisdom

chi_solas wrote:Colin, I've never heard of the
term "5 elements" of Reiki.If I
were asked what they are. I'd
say precepts, hand positions,
symbols, techniques/rituals,
attunments. It would seem to me
that some of us might have learned
different styles of Reiki and that
we may also have been taught to use
terms that differentiate the styles
we use.

hey Bridget just another pespective on 'elements' of reiki, as given by James on his website somewhere :

get reiki treatments to harmnoise/balance yourself.
when harmonised, get reiki attunements

apply reiki treatments to harmonise/balance others.
when harmonised, give them reiki attunements.

this is the Reiki-Circle

(pardon James, if m misquoting, since i m using my words through memory )


take care

salman

rzukic wrote:
I am not sure if I have overlooked it

you didn't thanks for bringing that important aspect in the discussion loop

(you've proved that i wasn 'on spot' in saying things about you !

Resko wrote:
IMO if in your intent statement you say that you will perform X Reiki Style attunement and than skip some step/ or order of steps it still would be the X Reiki Style you identified in your intent statement. If however you change intent statement and the protocol than the world will see the birth of new Reiki Style .

now that is very important question, tbh our compassion says that our 'intent statement' prevails over the aspect of our 'mistakes' done during attunement process, but my knowledge of mystic/spiritual systems says, that sometimes 'precision' is also much important to bring about the thing that was 'intended'

Resko wrote:
I hope I didn't “overdo” using term “Intent” but IMO it sets direction for what we about to do (and probably may have activate symbol(s) and if you have intent + symbols than ...unless I am missing something we should be on the right way.

lets say, i m master level and have initiation to DKM. lets say, i m willing to attune somebody and he is willing to be attuned. lets say, i m having an intent to initiate him in Usui Shiki Ryoho when i m master level in other styles as well..

lets say, i 'forget' to put CKR into the crown/ or base of crown as i was supposed to... what is the effect ? is that attunement complete? 'intent statement' prevails, it is, 'precision' prevails, it is not you see how confused i am

now lets say i m using the attunement set as given to me in usui shiki ryoho, but during the attunement i just recall some earlier reiki treatment sessions with the same buddy, and i recall he often would say his feet are burning with reiki. lets say, i being carried away with such thoughts, i attune his feet too, and put symbols in it like i will doing for his palms... and i know i m not doing anything 'wrong' since attuning feet is prescribed in another reiki style within which i am also master level...

the overall picture is that i m attuning him to usui shiki ryoho, and for the feet part, i m attuning him to that particular style as well... my intent, though, was limited to usui shiki ryoho only.. what i should be leaving on certificate now ?

these questions may seem naive to our reiki peers and elders since they have initiated hundreds of people, but for the newly-born reiki masters, such questions often make us very uneasy when we think about a reiki attunement session with our student

take care

salman

LightChild wrote:

Buck wrote:In response to Colin's post, I find it interesting in an ironic sort of way that each of the historical and modern teachers mentioned seemed to practice Reiki in their own way, while many modern students try to do things exactly the way of their teachers.

That's very true Buck I can witness this fact myself, as I do exactly what Colin thought me and do not add or skip anything to the style of Usui Reiki Ryoho as thought by my teacher...maybe my opinion is not much relevant as I am only level 1 but again I think I am going to follow Collin's teachings in my second and third level. This is my current opinion and in case something changes with the time I will for sure share it here.
IMO everyone intending to become a reiki practitioner have to read,learn ,research the styles mentioned (existing) and then to find the appropriate teacher whom he/she can trust and be convinced that this teacher is going to teach exactly the style aimed to learn.At least that is my case and I am saying that from my own experience.
Thank you for the nice post Colin, you continue teaching me directly and indirectly with your knowledge and wisdom

Opinions/questions from those new to
the Reiki system are as valuable as
opinions from folks involved in the
Reiki system for years. As a Reiki
teacher I appreciate your input on the
RLL. It helps others who fear asking
a question thinking its sounds stupid
or they'll get chastised for asking or
commenting about Reiki lineage issues
as Salman has brought forth. These
discussions are not meant to put others
down. They help sort out differences
and help us enhance our own knowledge
about the Reiki systems