Hi Bro,
Good chat you've started here!
Colin wrote:
Could it be 2 little Japanese phrases, with or without accompanying symbols?
Well, some people pronounce those phrases differently or incorrectly (as far as Japanese goes) and some people don't use any symbols or phrases at all, yet the student can still practice Reiki to good effect.
It's true there are variations, and it's true there's an experience called generically 'Reiki' that folks say happens. The answer to why this occurs in you above quote is to do with the whole experience/concept of initiatory lineage, imo. We're passing on our own knowledge, our own spiritual empowerment/ability that we in turn have received. This spiritual permission is linked, spiritually to Usui sensei. So, of course, we can pass it on, even with variations. This is why systems such as Karuna, SKHM, Tera Mai, etc, can all come about. All these folks were Usui Reiki first. Once they have received the spiritual permission/empowerment, most importantly to pass it on themselves, they've the ability to change things within it.
What's possibly interesting, is that these 'tweaks' are reported to be good, or not so good. When we change the way of interaction, we might change the experience. Sometimes subtle, sometimes not.
Colin wrote:
Although I know some people say that symbol-less Reiju/Attunement/Initiations are not permanent - I think that sounds rather like Rand-lineage healing attunements or temporary "free-trial" attunements offered at some MBS shows...Once you are aware of the Reiki "ability" you have it for life is what Takata taught.
Purely from personal experience with students, they've told me that the Reiki experience has seemed to dissipate after some time, with Reiju. It's commonly reported that Reiju needs to be on an on-going basis.
As Reiki became more widespread in Japan, i can understand why Usui sensei may have wished to create a more permanent Denju initiation. Having to travel to fro, with over 2000 students, just isn't practical probably.
What Takata sensei was obviously speaking of, was the assumption that initiations would be generally the way she was taught, and herself taught, i.e. with symbols,
. Denju, not Reiju. Per my above students experiences.
Colin wrote:The actual method/symbols/phrases/placements used (or not) may in fact serve to create a particular state of mind in the Reiki teacher, through association and the understanding that a particular teacher has received about the particular attunement method they are using.
This, together with intention, allows the teacher to enter a mind state where they may experience a deep spiritual connection with the student, whereby the awareness of their (the student's) original nature or awareness of Reiki may be induced or "triggered" by a form of energetic resonance, or Reiki effect, similar to that experienced in a client's body during a treatment in person or distant) but different because of the particular intent held by the teacher/practitioner?
I doubt that anyone truly knows the exact trigger or triggers in detail but I offer this as one possibility.
There's no doubt, that Reiki teachers can pass on the experience to others. Perhaps a pertinent question could also be..
Why is Reiju reported to not be permanent, whereas Denju is?
No slight on the name you choose for the topic bro,
. We gotta remember, Takata sensei learned her initiations from Hayashi sensei, after having the great honour of being his live-in student. The denju initiations Takata sensei taught,
are Japanese attunements,
.
Hi Jim,
Reikijim wrote:Hi Folks,
You all bring up good points...yet, I want to know... What is it during the initiation that triggers our awareness? What is it in the process, that makes it so we can bypass decades of spiritual practice, and receive this gift of "knowing" and healing.
What it is is that Usui sensei has gave permission for his Kurama Yama mystical experience to be passed on. This permission has been gave right down in lineage to yourself. This is why Usui sensei had to spend many years of hard work to experience it, yet he's so damn special he's let us have in instantly.
As far as the process goes, unless someone is fortunate to be taught esoteric empowerment's, then we all have needed to be initiated into the symbols Usui sensei choose, and empowered. Just what did he empower them with? My opinion is his own experience.
Possible interesting reading at:
http://www.aetw.org/reiki_reiju.htm , and the links at the bottom of that article.
About the Steines' article itself:
Also, the Steines', great folks they are, teach from a Buddhist perspective, though I'm not entirely clear which. I know they had incorporated hiroshi & Chris Marsh' stuff into their teachings. So, with Chris being Tendai, Mikkyo, it'd be more the clear difference in objectives between Reiju, and Denju. Denju Reiki initiations having very much similarities with Mikkyo esoteric Buddhism.
The article is alluding that what Takata sensei spoke (taught?) was Reiju. This is inaccurate. It was Denju initiaitons. Paragraph 7.
Paragraph 10. The reason why the words to do with a Denju initiation, and a Reiju are different is because they're meant to have different objectives, different reasons to perform them. It is true, we 'all have the necessary qualities already', however, unless one is extremely lucky, hard working, or willing to put in years of diligent practice, they usually don't experience what we do daily. This is where the instant blessing of Reiki comes in, and is why Denju initiations where created, imo.
I don;t to carry on commenting bout there piece in itself, save for paragraph 17. It's true, Reiki can be said to 'come from within'. We aren't passing on Reiki though, we're passing on spiritual permission, in the form of an empowerment, to
experience it instantly. We're needing to do this, as we're actually, in a sense, taking advantage of Usui sensei's hard work, and his expereince. It's all about permission,
. Just another opinion,
.
Take care
Wayne
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), and compiled between 1644-48, which contains secret teachings of various Shinto groups.
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