Toma wrote:Arrh, my internet conection closed and I just lost my post!
Hello Wayne
Milarepa wrote:
Reiju, isn't a fact, imo. Cause, imo, the Hikkei isn't a fact.
Sorry, I don't get the significance. Does it mention reiju in the hikkie?
I was asking if you knew if what Taggart King and the Steines said about reiju being a practice in esoteric Buddhism was a fact
I think you already know what it says about Reiju in the Hikkei,
, and imo this is where folks get the idea.
Reiju is sharing a spiritual gift, in the exact meaning of the word, so of course in Japanese buddhism there is this. I'm leanring Kuji-in, which is Japanese, from Buddhism, and there's transfer of cnosciousness in it, in the initiations, this cane be said to be Reiju, a spiritual gift.
But no, i don't know what they say to be fact. I had some training by Taggart so know what he says, and i spoke with Brownen steines once about what i see as inaccurately to heavy a correlation with Reiki & buddhism. Though i respect these folks and they're free to teach what they want of course.
Toma wrote: Milarepa wrote:i'm glad you've asked this,
. ordinary Buddhism is more open about it's teachings, esoteric buddhism is more secret, known to the initiated usually.
Okay I get that there are secret teachings only given to the initiated, but generally what makes esoteric buddhism different from the ordinary day to day form of buddhism?
esoteric means secret or hidden. As to the practices well, that's quite comprehensive and varies greatly from school to school.
Toma wrote: Milarepa wrote:
You're right asking about Shugendo, cause esoteric buddhism in Japan can imply Shingon, but also Tendai. What i'd meant was the universal meaning, not allying esoteric buddhism to any school.
So how does the shugendo differ from esoteric buddhism (universal meaning) generally?
It's of course a part of general esoteric buddhism. Like i said, the reason why i use it generally is cause i won't ally Reiki with any Buddhist school, but that there's not so obvious meanings in the initiation.
EzriReiki wrote:
Toma, you mentioned Taggart King.
I remember Taggart from an old forum called Grassroots Reiki that was active in the early noughties and he was probably the first person I heard mention connections between reiki and Tendai buddhism. I'm sure he said reiju was a Tendai ritual. That always stuck in my mind
This is cause Taggart was/is part of the folks who follow Chris Marsh, and Chris is Tendai. Steines use his info also.
EzriReiki wrote:
I wanted to ask him about Reiki and the connections between reiju and Tendai Buddhism Taggart had mentioned, and it seems I was only one of many people, European and Japanese, who had asked him about this. In fact he had leant much about Reiki as a result of this repeated questioning, and he was familiar with the theories going round at the time. Yet while he was pleased that people were taking an interest in Tendai Buddhism (which he said was not so popular as it used to be) he was quite adamant that the reiju practice taught by the Japanese Reiki people was nothing to do with the esoteric teachings of Tendai which he called to as Taimitzu (?). He also said that the initiations we use in Usui Shiki Ryoho were not the same as, nor did they have anything like the same purpose, as initiations used in Taimitzu.
The Denju initiaitons in which symbols are used, most certainly has buddhist concepts in them, it's highl;y general buddhist concepts, not linked ot any school (which is why i never linked it in my earlier posts).
Quite possibly what the Tendai guy was saying was that the iniations in Usui Shiki Ryoho (remember it's highly likely his encounter with that style would be healing, blah, blah, blah) were definitely not what Tendai is concerned with cause he saw Reiki as healing. However, imo, the purpose of the initiaitons in Usui Shiki Ryoho is a purely spiritual one, which also incidentally brings healing. I can't speka of his school, but in Japanese buddhism there's many forms of transsfer of consciousness/initiations for spiritual reasons. In fact, in Kuji-in (part of Japanese esoteric buddhism) some Kuji-in will make you doubly strong, some will also make you invisible. Now they can be used for this, but are also taught as spiritual practices as they also do more obvious spiritual things. Depending on the Tendai's encounter with Reiki will depend on whether he sees Reiki as a spiritual path or a healing modaility. With the latter prob not having as much in common in Tendai as the former.
Warmest wishes
Wayne
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